kept hearing about this latest episode, now i understand why. didn't see that coming at the end. should pick up nicely. the dana stuff is already getting old...but meh.
B- story, then. I know what you're saying. You don't have to explain your version. Carrie wouldn't quit on a plan like that. And why would she go crazy by being in the field. You conveniently say that you didn't like the idea that she went Crazy Carrie (in Ep 01-02), now you are say she was going crazy and breaking down while on a field assignment that was partly her plan. Make up your mind. like I say...waay too convenient, for her not to be turning Crazy Carrie, but then start going crazy while doing her job in the field. Carrie isn't Maggie from Newsroom, who can't handle field assignments. Carrie is a stud CIA field analyst who lives to take down terrorists, and would not have gone stir crazy in a soft mental hospital room. (You make is sound like it was a prison and torture cell.) Saul hatching the idea in Episode 2 after Javadi's man visits Carrie is a better way to executive the plot twist.
I think all great shows require a certain ability to look past things. I completely see where HP is going and mostly agree.... BUT The show was sucking the Donkey until they put everything into focus. So at least I am interested again.
No you misunderstand me. What I couldn't stand was the idea that she was getting off her meds because of some "I can't see clearly on them" and going nuts again. I didn't want another season about her mental illness and I didn't see anyway if she legit went Crazy Carrie and the CIA turned on her that the relationship could ever be healed. BUT, she went Crazy Carrie intentionally makes sense. She got off the lithium and got committed. She can't fake whether she's on her meds. She was legit going crazy in there. As for quitting, she was in her own personal hell, the one place she's always feared. Of course she was being worn down.
Hey, just rate the plot twist based on what you think happened. All I'm saying is the Plot Twist is an A...the execution is a B- because I believe the writers took Saul and Carrie too far out of character, if what you say happened is the story. I'd give it a A/A, if Saul came up with the plan in Ep 2 or 3, after Carrie legitimately went wild to the pressure of Congress going after her, and after losing Brody and losing Langley. Remember, she blames herself for letting it happen under her nose,,,then Congress attacks her How do you rate it? Please rate both the overal Plot and how it played out in these 4 episodes. to respond to your above: She was going crazy while on a mission that she planned with Saul. That's what you are saying? Why? What was making her go to her crazy place if she was on a mission? Her meds? And then, even so, what made her get so much better. Her meds? She lives for missions like this. She wouldn't go crazy in there by anything other than truly thinking Saul abandoned her and everyone turned on her...especially Congress and Saul. What works better imo, is she did go crazy because she no longer had anything (no missions, no Saul), then Saul saw Javadi's messenger meet her, then hatched the plan,,,then got to Carrie to tell her, and that she needed to get better to get out...that that is her mission now. And she did it and explain this Explain the document of amnesty for Brody that Congress got that they surprised Carrie with, and promised to go after her. That's what started the Crazy Carrie in the beginning of Episode 1. So, Saul gave that to them as part of their big plan?
A+ A She was going crazy because she got off of her lithium. She is legit bi-polar. She stopped taking her meds to set up this entire angle. In the nut house, after she really had started going crazy BECAUSE SHE QUIT HER MEDS FOR THE SETUP, she was strapped down and drugged with heavy doses of drugs that she didn't want. Do you know any bi-polar people? If so, go ask them how it would impact them to be force fed pills (Not just lithium) including depressants and tranquilizers. She lives for missions like this. I don't know if Saul gave it to them, probably not. It was probably the other guy from counter intelligence (I think that's where he is from?) who is not part of this plot and has genuinely been working against Carrie in all of this.
Having read an interview with the showrunner I'm convinced that the show writers had this plan "all along." That doesn't mean it's realistic. Can you explain how Carrie or Saul would have known that by throwing Carrie under the bus attention would be directed away from the CIA and at the same time the Iranians would attempt to contact her? This plot twist is absurd.
She got off her meds months before Episode 1, because her and Saul knew it would lead to Javadi recruiting her in a hospital? Well before a very conservative decision-maker like Saul had evidence of Javadi's connection. really? After Saul's Congressional hearing, she went to confront Saul at his house to storm around looking for him in front of Saul's wife, because they had to convince her, too, as part of the big plan? really? Too many convenient Scooby-Do explanations to the sudden twist to see the plausibility in this vs Saul just figuring out the plan only when he sees the Javadi messenger visit Carrie in the hospital. Then, a light bulb goes off in his head. Not that it matters, but my brother is, and he was incarcerated for longer than Carrie. You're over-dramatizing how that really works.
Why do you guys put so much thought into a fictional program? All you're doing is ruining it for yourselves. I thought it was a cool twist to save us from what was becoming an otherwise bad season. 4 episodes in and we've only seen Brody once. The Dana stuff is just getting worse by the week. I, for one, thank them for finally giving us something to look forward to for next week.
How has it been a bad season? Just because its starting out slow? Remember how slow the first season was? I get that Dana is annoying but she is a filler until something happens. I pay attention to the acting and directing, things other then just the story....you guys should try it.
I'm with you on this. I've been pretty dang surprised at all the people saying this season sucks. I think it's been very solid. It has been slow, and the Dana parts are dumb, but everything else seems to be leading to something real good, and this last week's twist jump starts that. People need to let go of Breaking Bad. Even that show was slow, had plot holes and whatnot, amongst other things. Not every show is going to be on that level though.
First season wasn't slow. there was direction. The audience was wondering if he was a Terrorist or not. This season started slow with no direction. Personally, even with the twist, I'm disappointed.
By thinking about the show, we are ruining it for ourselves? On the contrary, it shows how much I like it. I like Carrie's character a lot, and like Crazy Carrie, too. I'm not a big fan of her dating Brody though. I think he's too much of a dork for her. As for Dana, I think she's actually a good actress. Better than any of the Mad Men kids. But, yeah, I don't like the a depressing character demanding so much air time. Mark me down for hoping Dexter's protege kills her, too, sooon. I mean; he did throw her cellphone out the window, so he might have a plan.
You have to get over the first season and move on. This show will never recover that level of tension. For me, the first season of 24 was on one level and all seasons afterwards paled in comparison. But I still enjoyed the next 2 or 3 anyway.
Good episode tonight, even tho i replayed the last scene i couldn't make out what the iranian said to Carrie... "your pretty old at yoga"?
I think he said ," You are in pretty good shape, must be from all that yoga." or something to that effect.
