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Why not try Harden+Howard+Lin as the Dynamic Trio for a chance to win a ring?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by FlyingBeagles, Oct 28, 2013.

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Should coaches consider experimenting with Harden+Howard+Lin as the Dynamic Trio to win a ring?

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  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. FlyingBeagles

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    Why didn't coaches consider experimenting Harden+Lin more during preseason games to create from outside and Howard inside for a chance to win a championship ring? Game 1 against the Pelicans showed a great promise of Lin helping Harden and Howard with easy scores as shown with the gifs below.

    This issue bothers me the most. If Harden and Lin are the two best playmakers as Morey confirmed in his recent radio show, why didn't the coaches consider more experiments of having both to be on the same floor as double-threat outside while Dwight serves as the inside threat? Why only try the Dynamic Duo while Dynamic Trio might work even better?

    And why did coaches choose to assign Harden to be the single playmaker for 36-40 min/game and expect him to have energy to play defense? And Harden was on the record to want to guard the best player in the other team. Is this realistic expectation for Harden? He was breaking down a bit in the 2nd half of the season after being asked so much to create plus the knee contusion scare in Memphis. We need to think more about his long-term health as the face of the franchise with Dwight.

    So it seems logical to have the 2 best playmakers (Harden and Lin) on the floor with Howard to give Houston a really good chance to win championships. The following should be the obvious benefit:

    1. Save Harden's health because he can't be expected to carry the offense to create for himself+Howard for 40 min while playing excellent D on the best player in the other team for 82 regular season games plus the playoff run.

    2. Allow Harden to save his energy to guard the best player on defense (his personal goal)

    3. Prevent defense to stop just both Harden and Howard by having Lin as another threat to create points so Howard and Harden can score easily.

    And there were some proof that Lin can make Harden's and Dwight's jobs easier to score points

    We had evidence in the first game against the Pelicans where Lin was able to assist Harden once with a bounce pass for a breakaway dunk and assisted Howard twice with well-timed passes for easy scores in 3 straight possessions:

    1. Lin's bounce-pass to Harden for a breakaway dunk

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    2. Assist of the Night Lin-Howard

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    3. The 2nd straight assist from Lin to Howard

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    All these easy buckets were done in 40 seconds of game time so it did show a great promise that Lin can help Harden and Howard to get easy scores. So why not experiment more on it?

    While we can't expect Lin and even Harden to create great assists in long stretches, there's more possibility both can help each other by taking turn to create with Howard as the inside threat which wasn't an option last year (Sorry Asik, you're great in D but you still have buttery hands in O). Swarming D like the Heat won't be able to just key in on Harden or foul Dwight to stagnate the offense.

    Harden might have to sacrifice some assists to Lin but he'll gain it back through more easy points like the breakaway dunks. And most importantly, it's a win-win to have great playmakers on the floor if the goal is to win championships.

    So why not consider experimenting more on it after it showed great promises? The worst case is it won't work too well and Lin is better off leading the 2nd team to have one-two punch.

    But I'm concerned we might miss experimenting on a great way to win the ring. :confused:
     
    #1 FlyingBeagles, Oct 28, 2013
  2. d12babymamas

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    a very orginal thread thank you.
     
    #2 d12babymamas, Oct 28, 2013
  3. Voice of Aus

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    terrible roll by dwight in no.2... roll on your left shoulder dwight

    btw we need jtr to make a LAST lin thread so no more people can create them :)
     
    #3 Voice of Aus, Oct 28, 2013
  4. TheDr34m

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    oh come on man. are you serious? How many threads involving Lin!!!!

    facepalm.
     
    #4 TheDr34m, Oct 28, 2013
  5. Breaker

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    Lin isn't good enough to be anointed as the dynamic trio
     
    #5 Breaker, Oct 28, 2013
  6. CXbby

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    Jeremy will still have plenty of opportunities to play alongside Harden and Howard even coming off the bench. In fact, if he is going to play 30MPG, and Harden is going to play at least 36 MPG, that means Jeremy will HAVE to play alongside Harden for at least 18 minutes a game. This has nothing to do with starting. The Spurs didn't have any less of a trio just because Ginobili came off the bench. And Jeremy isn't nearly as good.

    Ah, heck, you might not even know who Ginobili is if you just started watching basketball in 2012.
     
    #6 CXbby, Oct 28, 2013
  7. TheDr34m

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    by the way maybe we should give Jeremy Lin a MAX contract because he's clearly a superstar and a greater point guard than Chris Paul and Tony Parker.

    Please chill.

    Let him first be better than Damian Lillard who was a rookie last year then we can maybe we can entertain these ideas.

    Seriously do the moderators and administrators on this forum care about overpopulating the GARM with Lin threads. Are you scared that all the LOF's will leave clutchfans and open up another site or something? I know controversy sells but my goodness this is ridiculous.

    By the way I will be very happy if Lin can score 17 pts 7 asts a game. That would be more than enough in my book for Lin to have a superb season. He can do it. He just needs to stay focused on the team and helping out no matter if he is starting or coming off the bench.
     
    #7 TheDr34m, Oct 28, 2013
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    1. Maybe McHale already knows that trio will work well, so he didn't need to experiment with it in the preseason and will go to it more in the regular season.

    2. Maybe McHale is not that bright.
     
    #8 iconoclastic, Oct 28, 2013
  9. Rox23

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    Coach IS experimenting. He said that he has "two starting point guards" and will experiment with different rotations through December. During that time Jeremy will start some, Bev start some, depending on matchups; also the PF position will see rotations. We have so many pieces and certain lineups bring out the best in certain players and against certain teams. If Lin starts shooting 40% from three he'll be great wherever he plays. Personally I could care less who starts, and who finishes. Both Bev and Lin should get their 30 minutes and often will play together.

    As for dynamic trio...Ginobili is part of the Big 3 in San Antonio (bench player); Harden was part of the Big 3 in OKC (bench player). Lin will actually be allowed to showcase his skill more coming off the bench. In other words...yes, you can have a Big 3 with Lin, Howard and Harden, but arguably that would happen only if Lin comes off the bench and is allowed to kick it with the second unit; in the first unit he wouldn't get enough touches and has to defer to Harden.
     
    #9 Rox23, Oct 28, 2013
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    Let Damian Lillard play Lin's minutes and get Lin's usage and play next to James Harden and see what numbers he puts up, then maybe we can entertain the idea that Lillard is better than Lin.

    If LOH's would just try being open-minded for once, they would see that this thread is a Houston Rockets thread, as much about Dwight and Harden as it is about Lin, and not a "Lin thread" at all.
     
    #10 iconoclastic, Oct 28, 2013
  11. d12babymamas

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    Yes, clearly Dave makes millions of dollars from the influx of LOFs. In fact, he just bought a new mansion recently. He also does not have a real job so he depends on this income and caters to the LOFs. Even the mods do not have real jobs but get paid 6 figures to help Dave with his million dollar corporation known as clutchfans. How very astute of you.

    If Lin can score 17/7 he would be a top 10 PG...
     
    #11 d12babymamas, Oct 28, 2013
  12. TheDr34m

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    btw im a ROF. I want him to suceed but i am not going to act like he is the second coming of Tony Parker and Chris Paul.
     
    #12 TheDr34m, Oct 28, 2013
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    I got dibs on the next Bev vs Lin thread. Lets make this just as annoying as the Dmo vs Jones debate!
     
    #13 Patterned919, Oct 28, 2013
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    Truthful at least someone's been paying attention to what's really going on.
     
    #14 CONAN 888, Oct 28, 2013
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    How and why haven't thread creating permission been limited?
     
    #15 MightyMouse, Oct 28, 2013
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    CXbby, where are you getting 30 minutes? McHale mentioned 26 and 27 1/2, and I would assume of the two, Lin is getting 26.

    http://www.latimes.com/sports/sport...rockets-20131023,0,848657.story#axzz2izzWrCvu
     
    #16 steady, Oct 28, 2013
  17. TheDr34m

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    Not sure if for real or sarcasm.
     
    #17 TheDr34m, Oct 28, 2013
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    Experimentation time is over. It looks like the team may be set with Beverley as the starter. I want the coaches to do whatever works to win the ring.
     
    #18 coachbadlee, Oct 28, 2013
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    I'm not one to talk, I've done my share of making bad threads but, I'd like to see like a countdown clock feature resetting every time someone makes a Lin thread. It'd be entertaining to see how far it goes.
     
    #19 lucnguye92, Oct 28, 2013
  20. CXbby

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    McHale is just giving a random example there, he is not talking about specifics. But even if Lin plays 26 minutes a game, that still means half the time he is on the court he will be playing alongside Harden.
     
    #20 CXbby, Oct 28, 2013
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