Dana ruins the freaking show, please stop showing her. What a curveball at the end last night, was not expecting that at all..
I think the Dana story will end with a bang or change course in a way that makes these sidelines worth tolerating. Cut the writers some slack. They have to realize nobody gives a care about her.
I like the plot twist, but way too many scenes were intended to misled us, mostly before this episode #1 She got Brody out of the country even before seeing Saul after the bombing. So her doing that is not part of a Saul plan #2. Saul did not get her out. So when she says "you should have gotten me out sooner" she wasn't talking about the plan, unless she meant to give up on the plan #3 the timing of the sheriffs coming into the newspaper to stop Carrie from talking to the reporter was too convenient of the writers to be convincing as timing planned by Saul and Carrie. Carrie was actually in the process of telling the reporter. #4 if I were Saul I would not tell carrie, until she made contact Conclusion: I think this was saul's plan alone. Otherwise I don't think he could expect her to be so convincing as a CIA victim. I think he held it from her, I'm probably wrong. And if so, then I'm saying this isn't convincing to me as a plan that Carrie knew about, too
Also the whole line by Carrie in the hospital when heavily medicated "fick you Saul. Get out" just seems to real for her to know a plan. Plus that visit is too careless of Saul to make I like to believe he launched the plan on the fly after finding out who his main suspect was and that they got her out of the hospital. Of course I can't explain how he then contacted Carrie to tell her what to do in the meeting with Bennett
I'm confused can someone fill me in? Saul and Carrie are still on the CIAs side? Whats the main plan Saul is trying to make?
There's no way heypartner that she wasn't in on it. If all that was legit on her part, she was really betraying the CIA and turning over secrets to a source that the CIA couldn't control (consider that the editor contacted some pretty high up dudes in the CIA) and she was really off her meds, going crazy, unstable, hated Saul all of a sudden, had been publicly shamed by the CIA to a degree, etc. if all that happened, you really think she and Saul could just get on the same page real quick and work together again? It was my whole problem with that storyline from the beginning. There was no coming back to the CIA for her after all that happened UNLESS she was in on it the whole time.
thats the only way it could work i think. saul must know carrie is pretty resourceful and can disappear anytime she wishes. The only thing that bugs me is that this Dar Hadal guy seems to have it in for her. What if he had just taken her out?
Good call and I started thinking the same thing after the Carrie/Saul angle took such a surprising turn. Regardless, she is annoying as **** right now.
When you latch into to a story arc like you just did you can shape it convincingly. I can too. I'm not the only saying it is pretty implausible if she knew the whole time. Heck I'm even saying Saul didn't even think of the plan until recently. Dude didn't even have a target in the 1st episode and we're supposed to believe he had an elaborate plan to lure that non existent target to a mental hospital Saul operates on facts only She wasn't doing traitorous things any more that in previous years. Come on. She always acts alone. That's her whole character. You have to keep her on a short leash. And Saul basically fired hued before and quickly started using her again. Anyone. I don't want to get into. I'm just saying that the story has too many holes for me to j*zz about that plot twist. I give it an A for the idea, but a B- for execution
Possible he had some suspects in mind for the Langley bombing? He wasn't surprised this Javadi character was involved when the burqa CIA chick mentions his name.
But had they made it grossly obvious that she was faking, or there was a plan at the start... the execution may get better, but the plot-twist effect certainly gets worse.
Not only that, he brings her in likely only to confirm what he already suspects. He seems to be playing that lead pretty close to the hip as well, as he stopped talking with her when they were interrupted by Dar the last episode.
You aren't remembering the story correctly. Saul did have a target in the first episode. You don't recall him handwringing over taking out the 6 targets because the one he really wanted was the Iranian? They've known the Iranian was the one who put together the attack from the beginning, they just have no way to reach him. That's literally been said in every episode. And sorry, Carrie going to the press would be far worse than anything she has done. The idea that they weren't on the same page from the beginning is what's implausible and had almost ruined the show for me. Carrie goes from realizing how important her meds are in the second season and getting her life together to suddenly getting off them again and becoming crazy Carrie, betrays the CIA by going to the press to out all the secrets, Saul WHO LOVES CARRIE LIKE A DAUGHTER betrays her and throws her under the bus, has her committed to a mental institution and is destroying her world? And then somehow they patch is all up off screen and are friends again? No way. That is implausible. If all that was happening for real there would no going back for Carrie and the CIA.
Doesn't matter what the producers say: We can still rate the plot twist. For me: "A" for overall idea "B-" for execution and plausibility (a little too Scooby-Do believable for me)
It's not in Saul's character to operate without absolute facts. He's more conservative than that. And it is not in Carrie's character to obediently follow a plan. She's the one who comes up with the plans, not Saul. Let's all remember that. If he's wrong about Javadi character approaching Carrie, then he just lied to Congress that an agent in the CIA conspired with Brody the terrorist. Think about it. That is too wild for Saul. The plot twist still works if Saul came up with it later...after the facts and after he found out Javadi is trying to use Carrier. That's a better plot twist imo, and works better with the show.
It is to radical of a plan for the Saul character to launch in Episode 1. If he is wrong, then he (THE CIA DIRECTOR) launched a public campaign to accuse a main Agent of conspiring with a terrorist, thus saying the CIA is not really in control...and just need a scapegoat. His plan is a complete disaster if Javadi doesn't recruit Carrie. That's not Saul's character to be a huge risk taker, and it is not Carrie's character to follow plans. She makes the plans.
Hey, the point I'm making is you saying this is 100% plausible and many viewers (not just me) saying some of it is a wee bit too far-fetched (like Scooby-Do far-fetched how the twist justs snaps together) ... all we are saying is the execution of the plot twist is a "B-". Are you rating the whole thing an "A+" both overall idea and show-by-show execution? I can script these episodes just as plausibly by saying Saul started hatching the idea in Episode 2, when Javadi's man visited Carrie. (The Fletcher dude?) And still everything fits. Like, what's wrong with Carrie changing between seasons to go off meds and be more meditative. Longley just GOT DESTROYED. Her whole life flipped upside down. And CONGRESS accused her of hiding evidence in Episode 1. CONGRESS went after her. Are you saying Saul is the mole who fed Congress info, just because he thought one day that Javadi might try to recruit Carrie from a mental hospital ... when Saul doesn't have any evidence it's even Javadi, yet. The plan is waaay too risky for Saul's character to launch in Episode 1. Congress went after Carrie in Episode 1.
and Still, no one has told me what "You should have got me out ealier, Saul." means. Saul did not get her out of the mental hospital. That was the whole plan. Doesn't that mean she wanted Saul to abandon it and get her out of the field....and face all the issues with Congress that Saul set in motion. Or does it mean the plan wasn't hatched in Episode 1, so there was a period without a plan where she just simply wanted out of the hospital. Remember, she was excited that the nurse told her there was a visitor asking about her. She thought and hoped it was Saul. But it wasn't. It was Javadi's messenger.
Dude, heypartner, try to get it all in one post. Yes, she said Saul should have gotten her out sooner because she was breaking down in there. She knows he didn't get her out, lol. That whole scene was her telling him she couldn't keep going with this, she was worn out and him reassuring her.
