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Neo Confederates in TX Now Try try to use ID ruse to keep women from voting

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  1. glynch

    glynch Member

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    There have been a lot of stories about how the GOP particularly in the southern states (aided by their guys on the US S. Ct. ) have been trying to keep minorities and students from voting by burdensome voter ID laws. Now this is a new one at least for me. The Texas GOP folks are trying to make it hard for married or divorced women to vote

    Sheesh, you old white confederate guys , join modern America, why doncha.
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    It’s no secret voter ID laws were drafted with minorities in mind, but they’re not the only ones who could have their voice suppressed by such legislation. This fall in Texas, many women may also face difficulties exercising their right to vote.

    The discriminatory legislation, made possible in the wake of the Supreme Court’s infamous gutting of the Voting Rights Act, demands that citizens provide photo identification that displays their current name. PolicyMic points out why this will present a problem to many women in the Lone Star State:

    Supporters of these new laws insist that requiring voters to have an ID that matches their birth certificate is a reasonable requirement. As Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott has repeatedly said, “Almost every single person either has a valid photo ID … or it is very easy to get one.” What they don’t say, however, is that the people who don’t are largely married women who have taken their husband’s name.

    In fact, only 66% of women have an ID that reflects their current name. If any voter is using name different than what appears on their birth certificate, the voter is required to show proof of name change by providing an original or certified copy of their marriage license, divorce decree, or court ordered name change. Photocopies aren’t accepted.

    Now ask a woman who’s been married for years where her original marriage certificate is. Ask a woman who’s been divorced — maybe more than once — where all the divorce decrees are. Ask elderly women where their original birth certificate is.


    http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/how_texas_voter_id_laws_affect_women_20131019
     
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  2. Dairy Ashford

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    Too much invective and hyperbole in the thread title. I don't think divorced women are being targeted or will be prevented from voting by this legislation. I think polling places and regulators will find a workaround; too big, white and litigious a demographic to rationalize excluding, for either party or the Attorney General.
     
    #2 Dairy Ashford, Oct 21, 2013
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    mOBILIZE THE DIVORCED VOTE.
     
    #3 Francis3422, Oct 21, 2013
  4. LonghornFan

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    BAN DIVORCES!
     
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  5. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    If you currently don't have a valid photo ID (e.g. driver's license or passport), you can get a voter ID by bringing in your certified birth certificate and one of a number of other pieces of paper (no picture required) - SS card, Medicare card, Insurance document, marriage license, divorce decree, etc.

    If you do have a valid driver's license and have been divorced and changed your name back, then you should have changed your driver's license to reflect that.

    Not sure why this should be such a big deal.
     
    #5 bobrek, Oct 21, 2013
  6. Dairy Ashford

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    Yeah, sounds much easier than getting a new license coming in from out of state, not sure what the hell happened to DPS since the late '90s.
     
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    If the article is true, this is beyond having a valid ID, but an ID that matches their birth certificate. No, that's not reasonable.

    "Supporters of these new laws insist that requiring voters to have an ID that matches their birth certificate is a reasonable requirement. "
     
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  8. glynch

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    If you are divorced a time or two you have to provide a chain of documents going back to your original birth certificate. Many women, particularly poorer women are not going to be able to do this
     
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    I doubt it is true because this is a load of bollocks

    By mail or online, 10-15 days.

    Also anyone here registered to vote? Every card has a place for information change, just mail it in. Change your DL online. Take care of your crap. How do people get by without this stuff. How lazy are you?
     
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  10. Buck Turgidson

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    glynch, you are bizarro bigtexxx
     
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  11. glynch

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    Why not try to refute the article? Provide facts. Make an argument.

    Are you in favor of this?
     
    #11 glynch, Oct 21, 2013
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    so now we're asking people to not only identify themselves but also with their own name on their ID?

    you don't say.

    let's use some common sense, people
     
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  13. glynch

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    Good try but you are not using common sense. Let's say a person has an old driver's license with a previous name. It is pretty obvious that they are the same person. So why do you do you have to provide your birth certificate, marriage licenses and divorce decree? Have you ever voted and seen the precinct judge mKe that type of common sense judgment.

    Why require the current ID to have the new name?

    I thought conservatives don't like excessive laws and regulations. I guess the
    Anti_democratic impulse trumps the anti-regulation impulse

    We could try to block this conservative deny the vote tactics with a national voter ID but then they would claim it costs too much or come up with other tactics
     
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    "Hi, I'm here to vote"

    glych: "welcome!"

    [​IMG]

    common sense, people...
     
    #14 bigtexxx, Oct 21, 2013
  15. Bandwagoner

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    In that case:


    Election officials will review the ID and if a name is “substantially similar” to the name on their list of registered voters, you will still be able to vote, but you will also have to submit an affidavit stating that you are the same person on the list of registered voters.

    In considering whether a name is substantially similar, election officials will also look at whether information on the presented ID matches elements of the voter’s information on the official list of registered voters such as the voter’s residence address or date of birth.
     
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    Getting a new DL is nothing.

    Try getting an address change on a CHL. 10 times the waiting, 10 times the cost, all to legally exercise my rights.

    If your name is wrong on the DL, you have no excuse besides being lazy and not caring about your ability vote. It couldn't possibly be easier.

    These limitations seem to be minimum. I am still astounded 66% of women with ready access to their BC don't have the correct name on their license. How much time does the average person spend at a computer these days? It would take 10 minutes to get that sorted.
     
    #16 Bandwagoner, Oct 21, 2013
  17. Johndoe804

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    Agreed on this.
     
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  18. Johndoe804

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    If they want people to vote, they shouldn't make it more costly, in terms of time, effort, and resources, to vote. Getting to a DPS, so you can stand in line for an hour or two in order to pay the state for an ID they're basically forcing you to get before waiting a month to get your ID by snail mail is a pretty big disincentive for voting, especially when most people are apathetic and feel disenfranchised by the system. Really, they should just hold elections like they pick jurors. That's democracy. Separation of powers makes a lot more sense when you actually have a government of the people. It doesn't work when you have career politicians paying for power.
     
    #18 Johndoe804, Oct 21, 2013
  19. AXG

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    Quit generalizing. I don't fit any of those categories but think this is a good idea. Like others have said, it isn't as difficult as it may have been and it's a good measure to prevent voter fraud.
     
    #19 AXG, Oct 21, 2013
  20. Major

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    If only there were any voter fraud to prevent. But not surprisingly, people don't really make an effort to vote multiple times because the risk/reward dictates that it's pretty stupid.

    Instead, this is a time and money consuming solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
     
    #20 Major, Oct 21, 2013
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