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Jeremy Lin needs to be the sixth man

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by iam, Oct 9, 2013.

  1. iam

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    name me a PG in NBA history that put up 38 points and 9 assists in a 52 game span...

    that's right Jeremy Lin is the only 1! :cool::cool::cool::cool:
     
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    Source? I am confused.

     
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    I still feel sad for 2Pat who got traded and demoted.
    His 3pt% was 44% last season and mid-range jumper was quite impressive.
    He is a good fit for Howard.

    As for Lin, we know he works so hard on his D and 3pts shooting.
    He wants to work with Harden better.
    In fact, their chemistry is growing since Dec 2012.

    It's way too early to bring up the starting PG debate.
     
  4. Fighton

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    i can never understand why this bothers anyone. if you're not a fan, don't be a fan. you don't have to be and no one should try to convince you to be one.

    people are going to like who they like for one reason or another.... may be basketball related and may not be. like it or not nba players are viewed as much for their bball skills as for their personalities. maybe people like that he's ivy league, or that he's asian and there aren't any out there right now, or that he's a nice guy and plays video games. gotta admit he's very, very different from your average nba player, in every sense of the word. some people may like that.

    just enjoy the fact that he's a rocket and is a popular player for whatever reason. that can only be a good thing for the rockets. don't be bothered by it.
     
  5. kastuul

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    People expected Beverley can do what he did in Playoffs on a daily basis.
    Just like what they expect what Lin did in NY.
     
  6. C. Orientalis

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    First of all, Lin is a good player. He's definitely not at the level that other players with similar fan bases are at, but he's at least an above average pg with good potential. I understand you may disagree with this.

    But the reason for supporting a player is not neccesarily just his skill level. Let me ask you this. I assume you're a rockets fan. Would you stop supporting the rockets if they became the worst team in the league? Likely not, most fans support their hometown team because they feel that in some way this team represents them.

    In Lin's case, many of his fans support him because they feel he represents them, whether it be because of race or religion. There's also that great underdog story he has.
     
  7. webattorney

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    I have to disagree with you here when you say Lin is not a good player. IMO, Lin can be a better player than Parsons and is a potential all-star in a different team and maybe in Rockets without Harden. Also, Parsons has many fans not necessarily due to his BB skills. However, I respect your opinion.
     
  8. jackycool

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    The more I see Lin play with the bench the more I believe that he will thrive as the 6th man on this team. When Harden and/or Lin is not on the floor, the offense seems to hit a brick wall and the production freefalls. Lin will be much more beneficial coming off the bench than Beverley coming off the bench. With Beverely as a starter, the offense may stagnate at times but it wouldn't be catastrophic. With Lin from the bench, leads don't evaporate.

    As long as Lin finishes games more often than not, I have no problem with him coming off the bench and most importantly Lin doesn't either.
     
  9. JustAGuy

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    If he limits himself to the aggressive turnovers and drops the stupid ones (e.g. travelling), that would make a big difference.
     
  10. webattorney

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    Agree. It doesn't bother me that Harden has fans who like his beard and think he's cool, or fans who like Bev's toughness, or fans who like Parsons for his on and off court persona. Name me one Ivy League, Christian, Asian-American NBA player? And by the way, I think he's pretty decent role model if you want to look for a role model in NBA. I could see many moms and dads in USA point to Lin as a role model for their kids. Of course, I can also imagine some of the kids saying "Mom, Lin is not that good." [because his stats are not all-star level.] I admire him just for the fact that he patiently answers all interview questions without getting pissed off. I actually fault him for being too honest.

     
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    Yes, I think sometimes he shouldn't try to make risky passes (and definitely his handle is not elite), but often, it's receivers' fault for not catching his passes. Last year, I saw Asik drop many easy passes from Lin and fail to convert some easy shots.
     
  12. Doppleganger

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    Lots of players are being called for traveling. It's being enforced more strictly this season. Lin's already cut down on his TOs and many of the ones he's making now are part of the process of developing chemistry with new teammates. He takes way more risks than Beverley does, and it explains the big difference between them in terms of play making and court vision.
     
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    My own sense is that Lin gets his kicks from the no-look passes while Bev gets his kicks from haunting the opposing PGs. I just enjoy the difference in the game tempo when each is out there.
     
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    Yeah, I don't have a problem with the TOs caused by being aggressive.
     
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    Really?

    4th in the league in TO per 48 so far this season. I'm not going to make a big deal out of a few games, but he has been pretty sloppy so far.

    http://www.cbssports.com/nba/stats/playersort/NBA/TOAVG/ALL/preseason?&_1:col_1=11
     
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    My mistake the link only has 1 games worth of stats so far, but he has been sloppy thus far. I do expect things to clean up as the season gets underway and the team gets more adjusted to each other.
     
  17. chenjy9

    chenjy9 Numbers Don't Lie
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    I have nothing against people being a fan of Lin. What I have problems with are them coming over to a fan site devoted to the ROCKETS and polluting it with their garbage. Like I said, if they are fans of a player who is actually good, I would understand. Fanatic idiots spewing waste and trying to turn this Rockets fan site into another Lin dedication site I cannot stand. Why can't they just go on their own Lin site and talk to each other on how good they think Lin is? Whatever though. Idiots will be idiots and this is a waste of time discussing.
     
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    Do you think that when people identify so strongly with a celebrity or someone with a high public profile, that it may affect their objectivity somewhat, or cause them to become overly defensive of any critique directed towards that celebrity?

    Regardless of whether Lin starts or leads the bench, this is going to be one exciting year of Rockets basketball!
     
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    Why Lin was the Top20 defensive players in the first half of last season if his D is not good?

    1st
    ANDRE IGUODALA, NUGGETS SHOOTING GUARD, +341.43: Matt Moore wrote an insightful piece into the mind of a defensive genius and couldn't have picked a better subject than Iguodala. The new Nugget leader is not only the best defending wing in the game--holding shooting guards and small forwards to 12.5 and 11.9 Player Efficiency Ratings--but he also may be the 2012-13 Defensive Player of the Year, posting a +4.2 defensive RAPM in 35 minutes per game every game.

    2nd
    OMER ASIK, ROCKETS CENTER, +310.64: Asik, who has the NBA's second-best defensive RAPM (+4.9), is showing the world that he is worth every penny of that 3-year, $25 million contract he signed with the Rockets last summer. Asik may be able to win both the DPOY and Most Improved awards after seeing his minutes double to 30 minutes per game this year.

    3rd
    TIM DUNCAN, SPURS CENTER, +294.03: Duncan, who had an NBA-best +5.6 defensive RAPM last season, is in his 16th straight season of defensive domination with a +4.8 defensive RAPM, which ranks third in 2012-13. He blocks shots (2.7 per game), defends pick-and-rolls and anchors the Spurs' D, which now ranks fourth in the NBA.

    4th
    DWIGHT HOWARD, LAKERS CENTER, +293.31: Even though his back and his shoulder and his new team have messed with his defensive numbers, Howard's +4.4 defensive RAPM and 1494 minutes played have been enough to make the three-time Defensive Player of the Year a DPOY candidate again.

    16th
    TONY ALLEN, GRIZZLIES SHOOTING GUARD, +171.93: The 31-year-old Grizzly has shaped Memphis' second-rated defense into his grind-and-grit image, a style of play that becomes more pronounced with the acquisition of new small forward Tayshaun Prince.

    17th
    STEPHEN CURRY, WARRIORS POINT GUARD, +168.17: Golden State head coach Mark Jackson called Curry an “elite defender†earlier this season for the way he has defended shooters over the pick-and-roll and the numbers wholeheartedly agree.

    18th
    JRUE HOLIDAY, 76ERS POINT GUARD, +150.47: The 6-4, 205-pound Sixer has the body to harass smaller PGs and the 22-year-old energy to do so consistently and continually (+1.1 defensive RAPM, second only to Curry, among the major-minutes players).

    19th
    JEREMY LIN, ROCKETS POINT GUARD, +137.05: With James Harden taking the bigger offensive load, Lin's D has been key in giving Houston a PG who provides high-pressure defense at all times, ranking second in steals. His court IQ and quickness are some of the most underrated aspects of Lin's overall game.

    20th
    TONY PARKER, SPURS POINT GUARD, +132.39: Unlike Lin, Parker doesn't gamble, posting a +0.9 defensive RAPM while holding foes to a 13.7 PER. Parker not only provides the offensive blueprint to younger point guards on how to run pick-and-rolls, he also displays the defensive blueprint as well.
     

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