Official 2013 Budget/Debt Limit/Obamacare Crisis Thread

I think I remember this being part of the last debt ceiling crisis. It basically allows Republicans (who secretly acknowledge that it has to and should be raised) to vote against raising the debt ceiling and pleasing their base, while knowing that it's going to be raised anyway. They can vote against it without worrying about it failing and the damage that comes along with it.

 

It doesnt. There was an earlier proposal where the President could raise the debt ceiling whenever he/she wanted to and Congress could pass a bill objecting to the debt ceiling increase (which would require 2/3 vote since the President can just veto it). That would have permanently given the President the power to raise the debt ceiling and given Congress veto power. (a weird reversal of the current dynamic but a needed one since Congress can't actually pass anything)

The bill floated around now gives Congress veto power to stop the current debt ceiling increase. I guess Congress would pass the govt shutdown/debt ceiling legislation and then vote on another bill to decide whether they "approve of it." It's an idiotic provision in this context and some dumb way for Republicans to simultaneously vote for and against a debt ceiling increase. At least that's how I read it.

 

Save themselves? Hardly, the GOP did more self inflicted damage, over the last two weeks, than a billion dollars of Democratic campaign commercials could have accomplished.

 

I agree with that. What does one have to do with the other?

 

What an epic fail by the Tea Party clowns. Hopefully this paves the way for the sensible Republicans to take a stand and take their party back.

 

The republican party needs an enema.

 

They'll just blame the establishment again and try and primary some more people. It's been happening for 2 election cycles now. I dont see why it would just stop all of a sudden.

 

A viable third party is on the way, mark it down. And it will attract some more moderate democrats and many independents. Spending is out of control and must be reigned in before a fiscal collapse. Regardless what your other political issues are, this is inevitable. And if you say no way, just remember that Ross Perot was tops in the polls until he went goofy in the summer before the general election and still got 20% of the vote.

 

Isn't this how tea party started? It turned out to be the biggest joke in the last century.

 

No, there is no outraged middle, there is no groundswell of independents who are losing sleep over government dept. Nope, the American people are losing sleep over their own personal dept, and they believe Democrats can do a better job helping them with that than Republicans.

The GOP really is finished at the Federal level. They can still make noise and be disruptive, but their days of waging war against the middle class are effectively over.

Oh, BTW, let me remind everyone:

Obamacare is here to stay! The GOP expended their last political power trying to derail it and failed miserably. :grin:

 

Do you live in Texas or at least the South? Romney was not popular among the "outraged" and got almost half the vote. I know your side is brimming with confidence right now. I guess we should encourage that. Yeah, we should. You are right, you guys will always win. You have nothing to fear.

 

So from my understanding of this "deal", the GOP got nothing that they asked for, while the Democrats - who asked for nothing - forced the GOP to agree to a conference committee that they had refused for the last 6 months. That's some brilliant negotiating on the part of the GOP there.

 

Democrats have won the popular vote in 5 out of the last 6 elections. And It if I bet on it it will be 6 out of 7.

 

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All of this was needless. A lot of people have been out of work and put through a lot of trouble for nothing.

 

They're also doing a farm bill conference committee now too since time is running out on that one too. Just and overall complete face palm for the GOP

 

Good post, Carl. All of the things you asked about the GOP require a rational mind. Right now I would equate the GOP leadership which includes Cruz (de facto leader) to LOF posting on Rockets message boards: nutjobs.

 

If you appeal to the base, you lose independents. If you appeal to independents, you lose your tea party base. You can't find a candidate who can bring both groups together, because right wing media has to keep the tea party stirred up in order to make money off of them. The establishment choice is Christie, but the right wing despises him. The tea party choice is Cruz, Rand, or Perry, and we both know how well those three clowns will do in a general election. All three of them are political freaks.

So it's going to be a Christie/Cruz ticket?

I only have one thing to say about that, Bring It On. :grin: