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404Care: HHS didn’t want users to see Obamacare’s true costs

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  1. basso

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    Obamacare's Website Is Crashing Because It Doesn't Want You To Know How Costly Its Plans Are
    Avik Roy, Contributor


    The Healthcare.gov website requires that individuals looking for coverage enter personal information before comparing plans. IT experts believe that this requirement is causing the website to crash.

    A growing consensus of IT experts, outside and inside the government, have figured out a principal reason why the website for Obamacare’s federally-sponsored insurance exchange is crashing. Healthcare.gov forces you to create an account and enter detailed personal information before you can start shopping. This, in turn, creates a massive traffic bottleneck, as the government verifies your information and decides whether or not you’re eligible for subsidies. HHS bureaucrats knew this would make the website run more slowly. But they were more afraid that letting people see the underlying cost of Obamacare’s insurance plans would scare people away.

    “Healthcare.gov was initially going to include an option to browse before registering,” report Christopher Weaver and Louise Radnofsky in the Wall Street Journal. “But that tool was delayed, people familiar with the situation said.” Why was it delayed? “An HHS spokeswoman said the agency wanted to ensure that users were aware of their eligibility for subsidies that could help pay for coverage, before they started seeing the prices of policies.” (Emphasis added.)

    As you know if you’ve been following this space, Obamacare’s bevy of mandates, regulations, taxes, and fees drives up the cost of the insurance plans that are offered under the law’s public exchanges. A Manhattan Institute analysis I helped conduct found that, on average, the cheapest plan offered in a given state, under Obamacare, will be 99 percent more expensive for men, and 62 percent more expensive for women, than the cheapest plan offered under the old system. And those disparities are even wider for healthy people.

    That raises an obvious question. If 50 million people are uninsured today, mainly because insurance is too expensive, why is it better to make coverage even costlier?

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  2. white lightning

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    many state government health care exchange sites have been up and running for some time now. You can check rates in your own state if it is participating.
     
  3. mc mark

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    Another wingnut conspiracy.

    How did we not see this coming?
     
  4. mc mark

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    Conservatives Advance Wild New Obamacare Conspiracy

    The story was first surfaced on Avik Roy’s blog on Monday, which quoted an administration spokesperson explaining that the government forced users to create an account before applying for coverage to prevent users from discovering the unsubsidized cost of coverage. The decision led to a bottleneck of traffic, but “by analyzing your income first, if you qualify for heavy subsidies, the website can advertise those subsidies to you instead of just hitting you with Obamacare’s steep premiums,” Roy wrote.

    The argument was soon picked up by Fox News. The network ran a segment on Tuesday morning explaining that the White House knew about potential glitches before HealthCare.gov launched on Oct. 1, “but did nothing to stop it because the White House doesn’t want to show you how expensive those plans really are.”
     
  5. CometsWin

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    So the cost without the subsidy you will receive is your true cost? Okay. Seems they want people to know what they will actually be paying. Spin that into a conspiracy I guess.
     
  6. g1184

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    Even if it is true, I don't blame them. People are so impossibly reactionary that if you show them the un-subsidized cost first, you're basically begging for a huge reaction over nothing. It's the same reason the dentists quotes you your out-of-pocket when you get a root canal, and not the total price of the procedure. Any competent business person would make the same decision.
     
  7. justtxyank

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    I don't blame them either. If you browse and the screen says "Price: $518 per month" a lot of the people who will qualify for a subsidy will just X out. Trust me, I've dealt with it already.

    I do this for a living.
     
  8. basso

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    peace out ch'all.

    [rquoter]Obamacare will double my monthly premium (according to Kaiser)
    by Tirge

    My wife and I just got our updates from Kaiser telling us what our 2014 rates will be. Her monthly has been $168 this year, mine $150. We have a high deductible. We are generally healthy people who don't go to the doctor often. I barely ever go. The insurance is in case of a major catastrophe.

    Well, now, because of Obamacare, my wife's rate is gong to $302 per month and mine is jumping to $284.

    I am canceling insurance for us and I am not paying any ****ing penalty. What the hell kind of reform is this?

    Oh, ok, if we qualify, we can get some government assistance. Great. So now I have to jump through another hoop to just chisel some of this off. And we don't qualify, anyway, so what's the point?

    I never felt too good about how this was passed and what it entailed, but I figured if it saved Americans money, I could go along with it.

    I don't know what to think now. This appears, in my experience, to not be a reform for the people.

    What am I missing?

    I realize I will probably get screamed at for posting this, but I can't imagine I am the only Californian who just received a rate increase from Kaiser based on these new laws.

    UPDATE: Updated the title per some requests. I appreciate all the helpful comments. I am now on baby duty but will go through these later for more information. I can't keep up with all the comments right now.

    I really do appreciate the helpful comments. Peace all. Peace out.[/rquoter]
     
  9. pirc1

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    Sounds like a good plan, what could possibly go wrong, a fall down stairs, slip on ice road, pneumonia. So when you do need the insurance, do you plan to just burden the others? or are you like bigtex in the top 1%?
     
  10. bigtexxx

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    what a disaster...

    and to think the dims actually support this?

    lol
     
  11. CometsWin

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    Sounds like he had incredibly cheap insurance that likely didn't cover much. I guess he expected to get a much higher degree of services available for a lower cost. Of course these random people that post things on the internet don't really give enough information to really investigate what they're saying. So we have to follow basso's "it was posted on the internet so it must be true" guideline I suppose.
     
  12. Mr. Clutch

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    They didn't want customers to see the price without subsidies.
     
  13. CrazyDave

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    lol keep pluckin' that chicken.
     

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