Official 2013 Budget/Debt Limit/Obamacare Crisis Thread

TROLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOMFAO!!!!

Keep in mind, I only ever LAUGH at you. It is hilarious that you believe you have in any way "frustrated" me.

Awwwww, does trollie actually believe he has some kind of power over me? It is cute how his ego gets overblown in his hubris!

 

The GOP Shutdown Is Sedition and Shouldn't be Forgiven
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andrew-reinbach/the-gop-shutdown-is-sedit_b_4079692.html

The definition of sedition says among other things that "If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire... by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States... they shall each be fined

 

oh Lord: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/10/15/house-republicans-boehner/2986085/

[rquoter]
House GOP to move own bill on debt and shutdown

Susan Davis and Gregory Korte, USA TODAY

WASHINGTON -- House Republicans intend to pass their own plan to reopen government and avert an impending Thursday default deadline instead of waiting for Senate leaders who are nearing agreement on a competing budget offer.

House Republicans are dissatisfied with the contours of the Senate plan because it does not go far enough to rein in President Obama's health care law. The government shutdown, now in its 15th day, began when House Republicans refused to advance a stopgap funding bill unless it included provisions to delay or defund the Affordable Care Act.

The decision may complicate the effort to avoid an unprecedented default. Treasury Secretary Jack Lew has said the U.S. will stop being able to meet all of its financial obligations on time by Oct. 17.

House Democrats are likely to oppose the plan, putting pressure on House GOP leaders to rely solely on their own members to pass it. "GOP's latest plan is designed to torpedo the bipartisan (Senate) solution," tweeted Rep. Chris Van Hollen, D-Md., the top Democrat on the Budget Committee, "Plan is not only reckless, it's tantamount to default."

The White House criticized the plan. "The president has said repeatedly that Members of Congress don't get to demand ransom for fulfilling their basic responsibilities to pass a budget and pay the nation's bills," said White House spokeswoman Amy Brundage, "Unfortunately, the latest proposal from House Republicans does just that in a partisan attempt to appease a small group of Tea Party Republicans who forced the government shutdown in the first place."

House GOP aides not authorized to speak about the new House plan until it is released publicly, said it mirrors the Senate plan to extend federal spending through January and raise the debt ceiling through February.

However, the House plan removes the Treasury secretary's ability to use "extraordinary measures" to extend the debt ceiling deadline, restricting the executive branch's flexibility to shift money around to pay bills.

The House plan also includes a two-year delay of a 2.3% medical device tax and eliminates a federal subsidy for members of Congress, the president, vice president and cabinet officials to buy health insurance under the new system.

Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., said the House will vote today on the proposal. Issa said the plan was "very similar" to the Senate proposal still under discussion. "But remember. The Senate doesn't have a bill. So being similar to a possible bill with another possible bill isn't saying anything."

House Republicans sang "Amazing Grace," led by Rep. Steve Southerland, R-Fla., at the closed door meeting this morning, Issa said. (ed. lol, good to see they at least recognize what wretched sinners they are. I suppose the grace of God is all we have to rely upon so long as these people hold office.)

Rep. Charlie Dent, R-Pa., a centrist who has been vocal about the need to reopen government, said he would support the House plan. "It moves the ball forward," he said.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said Tuesday that he and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., continue separate deliberations on a Senate plan.

The competing proposal would fund government through Jan. 15, suspend the debt ceiling until Feb. 7, and create the framework for formal budget negotiations to conclude by Dec. 15 with long-term recommendations for funding levels and deficit reduction. The Senate plan does not include any significant reforms to Obamacare.

Senate Democrats and Republicans will be updated on the status of negotiations at their weekly Tuesday private lunches.

"I'm confident we'll be able to reach a comprehensive agreement this week in time to avert a catastrophic default on the nation's bills," Reid said.[/rquoter]

Apparently, we're no closer than we were 2 weeks ago.

 

I read about the House and it just sounds like an attempt to derail the Senate Bill. Tomorrow Boehnor is going to have to step up to decide if he wants to risk default just to appease the Tea Party wing of the House or else pass the Senate Bill with Democrat support. He has said repeatedly he wouldn't let the country default so there might be hope but then again he also said he wouldn't let the government shut down.

They should've sang this instead.
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Boehner is going to cave and pass the bill without the teabaggers' support.

 

I think we're actually really close. It doesn't appear Boehner could even get enough votes for his own bill, as they didn't announce it at their press conference. But the going assumption is that even if he did have the votes, it would pass the House, die in the Senate (the WH has already said no to it), and then at the last minute, Boehner would bring up the Senate Bill, with a "we tried our best" explanation.

The stupid part here is that Boehner just keeps weakening himself in the eyes of the crazies every time he fights their unwinnable battles and loses. He needs to just stand up to them and say "no more" and challenge them to overthrow him. The tea party appears to be a less and less popular minority within the House and I doubt they could actually stage an uprising.

 

You might be right. I hope you're right. I don't know if I'd call that "progress" so much as they've just have finally run out of time.

 

It is what it is. This is exactly how the fiscal cliff deal happened as well. Boehner tried his Plan B bill and saw it fail. So he was forced to adopt the Senate's compromise and push it through with votes from Democrats.

Unfortunately that's how our Congress works now. If I were in Congress today, I'd try to push election reform to mandate snap elections for the house and senate if the government failed to pass a budget or raise the debt ceiling. It's insane that these jokers get to stick around until 2014 after royally screwing up that badly. Parliamentary systems do that and it forces the government to either put up or shut up. We need that here as well.

 

Except there is a big drawback to parliamentary systems in that the government is less stable and there is the potential of European countries where no government last long enough to make major structural changes.

 

Truly unbelievable that she was nominated as a Vice President. I know McCain made it through those 4 years. But to be so close to the most powerful person on the planet. Astounding

 

I dont want a parliamentary government. I want snap elections if the government fails to pass a budget. Basically if we get a government shutdown, we get elections once the government finally gets the government opened again.

Other than that, we'd keep our normal election system.

 

Despicable. The fact that this inconsequential, half-term governor of one of the least-populated state is still given a platform is baffling. What's worse is how many people see her ignorance as "folksy." But, I guess she's given up the game here. Obamacare is just the latest in a long line of Benghazis, birth certificates, Ground Zero mosques and bowing to world leaders that have sought to invalidate Obama's presidency since Day One. The GOP can't win national elections after catering to pigs who wallow in their ignorance like Palin, so instead they try to nullify the ones they lose.

 

Popovich: Govt. shutdown 'kids fighting over toys'

 

I take Palin's (and Gohmert's as well) statements to mean that after this mess is resolved, we can all look forward to the Tea Partiers in the House move on from posturing against Obamacare to posturing against Obama himself, via impeachment hearings. That should keep them busy until 2014 and help them distract voters from their role in this crisis.

 

Wha? It's a Presidential crime for Congress to default on the debt?

 

I'm still amazed by all the dims around here who see no fault in Obama.

I'm not the biggest Palin fan, but for the President to not take accountability for his country defaulting on its debt is unthinkable. He's the leader.

 

I have said it before and I'll say it again:

Republicans...get a hold of your god damned party. Or do you guys want to continue letting bigotexxx, basso, thumbs, bobmarley, eddiewinslow and co. framing the conversation?

Here's a hint: you cannot win when you let crazy people lead the discussion.

I'd love to see the GOP try their impeachment trap. That'll go over real well with all non-wingnut people...

 

That will be interesting. Of course, they can't get a conviction, because they need 2/3rds of the Senate. But just a simple majority of the House to get an impeachment. But, I'm not sure they'd do it -- it could be as politically dangerous as flirting with default.

 

Serious question, are you a robot?