1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Donatas Motiejunas ROCKETS vs PACERS

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Play07, Oct 10, 2013.

  1. saintja2

    saintja2 Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    700
    Likes Received:
    48
    I'm happy too but to be realistic, a couple of those were plays that might have gone the other way quite easily.

    D-Mo would have looked a lot sillier if the refs didn't call the hook by Stephenson and I guess Lance might have been able to go around him without doing it at all.

    Also the block on Hibbert comes after D-Mo jumps up in the air at the wrong time with no chance of doing anything. Paul George(?) then bumps into Hibbert who is forced to go to the wrong side of the rim because of the timely help by T-Jones. Without that help D-Mo gets dunked over nine times out of ten.

    My point?

    I think making sweeping generalizations based on couple of plays isn't very wise. Comments like this that are far removed from reality:

    What really happened: David West bricks a jumper, misses a couple others and makes about six or seven mostly well contested shots against T-Jones (and no free throws) and he is "manhandled" or "abused" or "scored at will" while West takes one(!) jumper that happens to miss and now D-Mo is a good defender suddenly?

    Also, David West is one of the premier low-post players in the league, arguably the best offensive option for Indiana making $12M a year. His stats in the two games added together: 49min, 20 pts (with 17 shots), 6 rebounds, -9. I'll take that any day.

    I don't want to take anything away from D-Mo and I think his offensive contributions have given him the edge over Jones at least for now. But let's not go overboard and pick the facts that happen to support our opinions while ignoring the others that don't.
     
  2. jtr

    jtr Member

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2011
    Messages:
    7,470
    Likes Received:
    275
    Exactly. It is generally viewed that the NBA data set becomes significant after about one third of the regular season. At this point in the preseason there is just not sufficient data to conclude anything of value.

    Even after a full season or even seasons of data some popular metrics like RAPM of many lesser used lineups are not reliable.
     
  3. Carl Herrera

    Carl Herrera Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2007
    Messages:
    45,153
    Likes Received:
    21,575
    Here's something that John Schuhmann of NBA.com, who writes many of their stats-related pieces, said about preseason performance in a recent podcast ( http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/10/09/hang-time-podcast-episode-133-the-schuhmann-stat/ ) with Sekou Smith, Lang Whitaker and Rick Fox:

    When discussing the performance of rookies Anthony Bennett and Cody Zeller, Schumann was asked whether he trusts the "eye test" more than their stats in the preseason games. Schumann replied that, at this stage, he would rely more on the eye test than he would on the stats given the sample size.

    I think this makes sense given that luck plays a big role in small sample size numbers (at least the publicly available ones) -- random making or missing of shots, whether the rebound bounces your way or not, and even whether your team happened to do well with you on/off the court can largely be a matter of luck. Over the course of a season, or even a significant portion of a season, you can see some trends, but not this early.

    So, we are better off at this early stage watching the tape and noticing more detailed things like whether a guy seems out of position a lot or is mostly in position to at least contest shot attempts, whether he's taking good shots (whether he makes or misses them), whether his movement on the court looks smooth or like a spazz.

    Motiejunas, to me, passes the "eye test" so far. He seems less lost in the scheme than he was last season. He looks under control and not hurried on the court and is getting to the spots where he can catch the ball and get off a good shot. Jones looks like more like a spazz at this point. Things may not continue this way, but these are what I see so far.
     
  4. Easy

    Easy Boban Only Fan
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2002
    Messages:
    38,167
    Likes Received:
    29,642
    Donuts definitely looks more comfortable this time around. And I am impressed with his defensive awareness. He used to get lost a lot on the defensive end, and very nervous, rushing things on offense.
     
  5. mrjohn

    mrjohn Member

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2006
    Messages:
    729
    Likes Received:
    29
    Has anyone complied one vid of this?
     
  6. Play07

    Play07 Member

    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2013
    Messages:
    4,973
    Likes Received:
    244
    i saw one somewhere on a thread dont remember where :(
     
  7. Maknusia

    Maknusia Member

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2012
    Messages:
    216
    Likes Received:
    1
    <iframe width="420" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/pOEHjN4hm1A" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
     
  8. Maknusia

    Maknusia Member

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2012
    Messages:
    216
    Likes Received:
    1
    And this was from the latest game

    <iframe width="420" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/2UH9R2Z1YbE" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
     
  9. Play07

    Play07 Member

    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2013
    Messages:
    4,973
    Likes Received:
    244
    if DMO can somehow start hitting his 3PTS this will be huge !
     
  10. MojoMan

    MojoMan Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2009
    Messages:
    7,746
    Likes Received:
    2,153
    Motiejunas looked pretty good in those videos. Does anyone have any video that is comparable for Jones?
     
  11. saleem

    saleem Member

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2001
    Messages:
    30,249
    Likes Received:
    14,684
    That runner that he hit in the 1st video was a very high class shot. He is gaining confidence on offense.
     
  12. Hakeemtheking

    Hakeemtheking Member

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2009
    Messages:
    9,414
    Likes Received:
    6,582
    DMo is developing a certain level of toughness, really getting used to the NBA style of play. A few more games and McHale will be hard pressed not to give him some when the real games start. Donuts is doing just fine and we all should be glad for it.
     
  13. LAC

    LAC Member

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2013
    Messages:
    446
    Likes Received:
    10
    That move at 2:34 of the Taiwan highlight is pretty sick. Too bad DMo couldn't finish with his right hand.
     
  14. Normalus

    Normalus Member

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2011
    Messages:
    3,098
    Likes Received:
    582
    He made mistake takin right foot as pivot one and stuck in it making very tuff shot. If it's not shot clock - you better pass.
     
  15. dje243

    dje243 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2011
    Messages:
    1,683
    Likes Received:
    225
    Agreed. D-Mo appears to understand spacing and looks to actually be developing some good skills defensively one-on-one and as a help defender.
     
  16. saleem

    saleem Member

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2001
    Messages:
    30,249
    Likes Received:
    14,684
    Continuous work with the Dream will help him out.
     
  17. Zalgiris

    Zalgiris Member

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2013
    Messages:
    193
    Likes Received:
    4
    Lithuanian media reports that DMo is suffering from that wrist injury against Pacers and has hard time sleeping at nights.

    Picture from his twitter:

    [​IMG]
     
  18. Zalgiris

    Zalgiris Member

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2013
    Messages:
    193
    Likes Received:
    4
    Edit: he can't sleep because of the timezones change, not because of the wrist. My bad. But the wrist isn't great either
     
  19. nobie

    nobie Member

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2013
    Messages:
    696
    Likes Received:
    33
    didnt he said in twitter that wrist is non issue and he will play next game?
     
  20. Zalgiris

    Zalgiris Member

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2013
    Messages:
    193
    Likes Received:
    4
    It is an issue, but it won't stop him from playing.
    I wish he'd stop shooting 3s, because without them he looks very good and those couple missed 3s always ruin his good image for the game.
     

Share This Page