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Where was the outrage last season with the lack of starts from Delfino at PF?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by meh, Oct 15, 2013.

  1. meh

    meh Member

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    It was fairly clear that Delfino was a better fit and a better player than Smith, Jones, and DMo overall following PPat/Morris trades. Yet I don't think many if anyone was annoyed that he never started at PF except for a few exceptions.

    The question is, why weren't people criticizing McHale for not starting a player that was more or less our best PF, best teammate, and best fit for our offense?

    Are fans here biased against Delfino?
     
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    would be nice offensively but horrendous defensively...
     
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    Delfino is basically a SF/SG player, undersized at PF wouldn't you say?

    I thought he was frequently backing up Parsons, some time he did get the odd job at the PF.

     
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    6'6 and not built like Chuck Hayes

    Cassipi/Parsons 6'9 and better rebounders/defenders

    We didn't have much bench perimemter scoring last year (Delfino was it, for the most part, before McHale discovered Garcia with 5 games left in the season)

    And the coaching staff said stretch 4 as a strategy is situational + used to shake things up, effectiveness reduces if used as permanent tactic.

    And Delfino is 6'6 and not built like Chuck Hayes (circular argument beginning)
     
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    Judging by the responses so far in this thread, I guess it was because people just didn't watch the Rockets last year.
     
  6. meh

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    From 82games

    Rockets defense with Delfino: 106.7
    Rockets defense w/o Delfino: 107.9

    http://www.82games.com/1213/12HOU8.HTM
     
  7. meh

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    So you're saying McHale is biased against smaller players?
     
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    Per basketball reference

    Rockets 5-man lineup stat:

    Asik/Patterson/Parsons/Harden/Lin -0.4 per 100 possessions
    Asik/Delfino/Parsons/Harden/Lin +5.1 per 100 possessions
     
  9. denali_wjl

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    Shorter but good PFs tend to be bulked up. Del3no is not of that build. He should do well in SG/SF position.

    I think the main factor is Morey is not paying when Del3no wanted so he walked.

    Can't really draw the conclusion that you can trying to here, right? I mean not everybody need to play C, PF or any other conclusion.

     
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    Shorter but good PFs tend to be bulked up. Del3no is not of that build. He should do well in SG/SF position.

    I think the main factor is Morey is not paying when Del3no wanted so he walked.

    Can't really draw the conclusion that you can trying to here, right? I mean not everybody need to play C, PF or any other specific position.

    [apologize for the double post, had to fix the typo]
     
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    Shorter but good PFs tend to be bulked up. Del3no is not of that build. He should do well in SG/SF position.

    I think the main factor is Morey is not paying what Del3no wanted so he walked.

    Can't really draw the conclusion that you are trying to here, right? I mean not everybody need to play C, PF or any other specific position.

    [apologize for the triple post, had to fix the typo, guess time to go sleep]
     
  12. meh

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    So basically, you believe a coach should play players not by their production, but how they look, correct?
     
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    I'm saying Delfino was not built for daily grind of the PF position, but he played well there on a situational basis + we had no bench perimeter scorer and he was valued for what he provided in that role also.

    Delfino did not play stretch 4 every minute he was on the court. So the +/- with Delfino 'could' be misleading in terms of gauging his worth not only purely from a stretch 4 perspectively, but as a starting stretch 4.
     
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    because I knew he'd be traded.
     
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    he wasn't traded
     
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    I'm saying Lin was not built for the daily grind of the starting PG position(as evidenced through 2 season ending injuries), but he played well there on a situational basis + we have no bench perimeter scorer and he is valued for what he will provide in that role also.

    So why all the outrage now?

    Well, ****.

    I'd actually like to see Lin start, but you just made the OP's point for him.
     
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    Thanks I didn't know that... I assumed defense would be lacking because if his lack of size
     
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    [​IMG]

    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/IJ6JZS2AoUs" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

    Delfino got beat up when he had to play starters minutes at PF instead of moonlighting for maybe 8 minutes each night. The above infamous photo shows the result of Delfino getting banged by Nene. This came in near the end of the 4th and last game Delfino started at PF right after Patterson and Morris were traded. http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/delfica01/gamelog/2013/ They moved him back to the reserve SG/SF/PF role right after that game.

    The small-ball line up performed well overall on the season, but the pounding that Carlo took in order to do that was real and probably unsustainable.
     
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    That small ball line-up with Delbricko was good when McSuccess was operating adjustments for small intervals. However it was awful through large stretches of time. There was countless remonstrations about the small ball tactic, notably in the Fire McHale thread.
     
  20. meh

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    So which PF did the Rockets have more success with? DMo? Jones? Smith?
     

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