Obama made the error that led to congressional gridlock and the partial govt shutdown

This statement would imply that you are doing your own information gathering from non-media sources. So I assume you are making your own calls to party leadership, economist, healthcare CEO's, park rangers etc,

Who you talkin' to?

 

As someone who is neither Republican or Democrat I think people saying Dems should get some of the blame for the shutdown is really bad reasoning. Even if the Dems don't want to compromise, there are some lines you don't cross and I think threatening gov shutdown is one of them.

This is like the movie where two boston fans kidnapped the NBA star from the opponent team (forgot the name). Can you then say the NBA star is also to blame because he's just so good, the fans had to kidnap him else their team will lose? Isn't this the same scenario, Obama won't negotiate Obamacare so we'll shut down the gov?

I'm not sure why gov shutdown is even legal (isn't it anarchy? lol), but it seems to cause a lot of political fallout, and since the Republicans did it on their own they should get all the blame IMHO.

 

Celtic Pride, Dan Aykroyd, fun flick.

 

Excellent post. repped

 

This stupid right wing talking point doesn't help the thousands who are currently furloughed because of the destructive political machinations of the Republicans.

The GOP are the ones who precipitated and then implemented this shutdown. They deserve virtually all of the blame, somewhere north of 97% or so.

 

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--Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.)

 

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who deemed them "unessential" for them to be furloughed?

 

Republicans did when they shut down the government.

Why is this concept so hard for conservatives to grasp?

 

“I opposed the shutdown from Day One. I think it was wrong that President Obama and Harry Reid forced the shutdown. They forced the shutdown because they wouldn’t compromise on Obamacare,” Cruz told Politico.

 

It's so strange that the supporters of the GOP who are the ones who shut down the govt. don't understand that when the govt. is shut down, things actually get shut down and aren't open.

 

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A person with an antisocial personality disorder, manifested in aggressive, perverted, criminal, or amoral behavior without empathy or remorse.

 

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How would the House Democrats (minority Party) redress the change? In the Supreme Court?

(It sounds like something Frank Underwood would have done)

Mr Van Hollen makes the DOP own it though.

 

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Thanks for the video. The GOP needs to be held accountable for the govt shutdown. Its time for the GOP as a party to fracture.

 

Angry white men on parade.


Rallier tells Obama to 'put the Quran down'

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...y-obama-told-to-put-the-quran-down/?hpt=hp_t2


Washington (CNN) - Angered by the closure of national landmarks due to the partial government shutdown, a crowd of conservatives removed barricades Sunday at the World War II Memorial and the Lincoln Memorial as they rallied against President Barack Obama and Democrats for their role in the ongoing stalemate.

High-profile speakers with close ties to the tea party appeared at the event, including former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas.

The rally, billed as the "Million Vet March on the Memorials," drew far fewer than a million people and evolved into a protest that resembled familiar tea party events from 2009, with yellow "Don't Tread On Me" flags throughout the crowd and strong anti-Obama language from the podium and the audience.

One speaker went as far as saying the president was a Muslim and separately urged the crowd of hundreds to initiate a peaceful uprising.

"I call upon all of you to wage a second American nonviolent revolution, to use civil disobedience, and to demand that this president leave town, to get up, to put the Quran down, to get up off his knees, and to figuratively come out with his hands up," said Larry Klayman of Freedom Watch, a conservative political advocacy group.

On the first day of the government shutdown, October 1, a group of World War II veterans was barred from entering the open-air memorial. But with the help of a few Republican members of Congress, the veterans removed the barricades and streamed onto the site, as security guards stood aside.

The Department of Interior has since said that veterans with the Honor Flight program will be permitted to visit the memorial as part of their First Amendment rights, but otherwise the site is closed to the general public until the government reopens.

Cruz, the senator who's become the face of the Republican stance in the shutdown, attacked the Obama administration for fencing off the memorial and other national monuments, saying the closures were nothing but a political ploy.

"This is the people's memorial. Let me ask a simple question. Why is the federal government spending money to erect barricades to keep veterans out of this memorial?" he asked. "Our veterans should be above politics. Enough games."

Demonstrators removed the barricades Sunday at the rally, tossing them into a pile nearby. After the speeches, the crowd wandered down to the nearby Lincoln Memorial and removed its barriers as well. When some officers tried to put them back up, protesters took them from the officers' hands and carried them away from the memorial.

"You look around though and you see these barricades and you have to ask yourself, is this any way that a commander in chief would show his respect, his gratitude to our military? This is a matter of shutdown priorities," Palin said.

Anti-Obama sentiments echoed throughout the crowd Sunday, with one protester yelling out "punk" to describe the president and one speaker saying Obama is not the president of "the" people but "his" people. Multiple signs read "Impeach Obama."

Asked last week whether the White House had any say in the closure of the World War II Memorial, spokesman Jay Carney said Republicans were at fault.

"Every House Republican who has decried any impact from this shutdown, as if they were surprised that it would happen, clearly didn't pay attention when every agency of the federal government posted on their websites ... what would happen if the government were shut down, including the closing of national memorials and national parks," he said at a press briefing.

"If any member of Congress who got in front of a television camera to try to get some attention on this issue spent half that time on the floor of the House voting to open the government, we wouldn't have a problem," he added.

Later on, some people from the rally walked over to Pennsylvania Avenue carrying the barricades and dumped them in front of the White House. While they gathered peacefully for the most part, some were more vocal and shouted at police on horseback. "You work for us," some chanted.

At one point, some pushing and shoving took place as police in riot gear began to put up some barricades in front of part of the White House fence.

Tourists were also among the mix Sunday, taking pictures as normal, while others simply came out of curiosity.

 

I believe the side that uses euphemisms such as govt "slimdown" in order to justify their actions would be the party responsible. I mean... just using some common sense here.

 

Indeed. My favorite:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/12/joe-the-plumber-racism_n_4090529.html


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