Official 2013 Budget/Debt Limit/Obamacare Crisis Thread

“We started this on a fool’s errand, convincing so many millions of Americans and our supporters that we could defund Obamacare,"

John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

While McCain didn't name names [Ted Cruz], he faulted members of Congress -- "tea partiers specifically" -- for wrongly telling "millions of Americans" that Obamacare can be defunded.

That "obviously wouldn’t happen until we had 67 Republican senators to override a presidential veto," McCain said.

McCain denounced the fight to defund Obamacare at the cost of a fiscal impasse even before the govenrment shut down last week. McCain called out Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) for his anti-Obamacare speech, and said "the people spoke" when they reelected President Barack Obama in 2012.

"We fought as hard as we could in a fair and honest manner and we lost," McCain said. "One of the reasons was because we were in the minority, and in democracies, almost always the majority governs and passes legislation."

 

Something is going on

 

WOW!!!

from THINKPROGRESS

Boehner Abruptly Changes Strategy Following Outcry From Koch Brothers And Heritage

Last week, House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) bluntly refused to bring up any debt ceiling vote in the House without demanding Democratic concessions first, telling ABC’s This Week, “We are not going to pass a clean debt limit increase.”

By Wednesday, conservative powerhouses Heritage Foundation and Koch Industries made room for a new plan when both urged Republicans to approve a debt ceiling increase with no strings attached. In a striking change in tone, House GOP leadership have presented a clean six-week debt ceiling extension that does not include a plan to fund the government.

 

I guess we know who owns the Republican Party in this country.

 

lol at thinkprogress

 

Yeah, it's amazing how powerful the Kock brothers are. Essentially they are the head of the Republican party. Amazing what you can buy these days.


The saddest thing is that the Taliban can see what the average stupid idiot tea party voter can't.

 

Wow! That's crazy. GOP leaders show where their values lie.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-51-000-completed-insurance-applications.html

Report: Only 51K Signed Up For Obamacare During First Week, CBO Says 7 Million Are Needed By March To Keep Program From Financial Collapse…

So they have until March when enrollment closes to sign up another 6,949,000 people.

Godspeed.

 

Rastafarianism will only get you only so far. Why even take the time to do the math under those circumstances. Maybe give it a couple of weeks

 

It's not just the republican party. Everybody knows the way to motivate action to your desired direction is to play "good cop, bad cop" where you control both apparently opposing options. Parents do this to kids all the time, "would you rather?" where the kids are given a binary choice of two outcomes, both acceptable to the parent.

Hey would you rather have a market based health care system like us reasonable democrats are offering or none at all?

"but but but I wanted a single payer system with negotiated drug prices and regulated costs"

No, that's not one of the options!

win/win

 

http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_new...own-spike-in-washington?lite&ocid=msnhp&pos=1

Hopes of ending shutdown spike in Washington

As the federal government's shutdown entered its 11th day on Friday, hopes of a resolution to that and the nearing deadline to raise the nation's debt limit spiked amid talks between Republicans and President Barack Obama.

A meeting between the House GOP and the president on Thursday yielded no agreement, but seemed to break a legislative logjam that had plagued the nation's capital for the past few weeks.

Senate Republicans head to the White House to talk with Obama this morning, a meeting which could further facilitate an end to a shutdown that has placed hundreds of thousands of federal workers onto unpaid furlough, and put services for millions more Americans on hold.

The meeting between Obama and his chief Republican adversaries in the House on Thursday prompted a sharp change in tone from the acrimony that had come to define fiscal negotiations in Washington over the past few months.

GOP negotiators worked with Obama administration aides through the night to cobble together a short-term agreement to both extend the nation's borrowing authority and reinstate funding for vital government operations. If both of those conditions are met, Obama has said he would then -- and only then -- be willing to engage in broader fiscal negotiations with Republicans.

The stakes from the talks are high on several fronts. Financial markets have nervously watched Washington for signs of an agreement that would avoid default on the national debt by Oct. 17, the deadline by which Congress must extend the government's borrowing authority.

The fiscal standoff also had broad political implications, as well. An NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll released Thursday found that unfavorable opinion of the Republican Party had reached all-time highs, and that 70 percent of Americans disapproved of the way in which Republicans in Congress were handling the budget standoff.

The pressure from Wall Street, combined with sharply changing public opinion against the GOP, has helped prompt Republican leaders' recent work toward reaching an ad

Republican leaders appeared cautiously optimistic late Thursday, saying that a 90 minute meeting with the president was fruitful, even though both sides did not come to an agreement about a temporary hike in the debt ceiling.

"I left thinking I believe it is possible for us to get it all done," House Rules Committee Chairman Pete Sessions, R-Texas, said, adding that the overnight negotiations would be "critical to the success" of a deal.

“The president didn't say yes, he didn't say no,” House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan told NBC News of the House proposal to raise the debt ceiling for six weeks. “It was a useful conversations. We're now going to negotiate."

Rep. Lynn Jenkins of Kansas, the vice chairman of the House GOP Conference, told CNBC that House leaders hope to have the government reopened by Monday.

If negotiators from the White House and the House Republican leadership team reach an agreement, Boehner may need Democratic votes to pass it and send it on to the Senate.

On Thursday, Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi said that she was reluctant to accept the six-week raise in the debt ceiling, arguing that markets may be spooked by the brief timeline for further negotiations.

“I think a six-week lifting of the debt ceiling is not the right way to go,” Pelosi said after House Democrats met with President Barack Obama. “I think we should go at least one year so that there's some certainty in the markets and that every six weeks people don't have to wonder if the United States of America is going to stand by its full faith and credit.”

But, she added, Democrats would wait to see a full package of ideas from House Republicans on how to address the ongoing fiscal fight.

“Let's see what it is,” she said of a GOP proposal. “Give it a chance if it has any value.”

 

Well it certainly brings into sharp relief exactly who is running the party that's for sure.

 

At least the masters of GOP are not the crazy tea party nuts. Old school .1% ers are at least rational.

 

I think tea baggers are working right now on their "we're glad the President finally decided to come to his senses and work with us instead of against" talking points for when a deal gets reached.

 

Reminds me of the Black Knight from Monty Python: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKhEw7nD9C4

 

Delusion, thy name is bigtexxx.

 

Obama's approval rating is worse than George W Bush's at the same time in his presidency (which was when political pundit Kanye West was claiming W hated black people due to the Katrina response). Just a little perspective for you...

http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/09/b...g-than-obama-at-this-point-in-his-presidency/

President George W. Bush held a higher approval rating in October of his fifth year in office than President Obama.

Obama’s approval rating stands at 37 percent with a 53 percent disapproval rating, according to an Associated Press/GfK poll released Wednesday October 9.

At the same point in the first year of his second term, Bush held a higher approval rating even as he battled criticisms of his handling of weeks-old Hurricane Katrina.

 

It's kind of funny how there has been no mention of approval ratings for Obama for months until the wingnuts finally got ahold of one that says what they want it to say.

BTW, the repubs shouldn't be allowed to handle or talk about polls for a while after the disaster that was the 2012 election.

 

It's truly hilarious that the dims are running around trumpeting the House's low approval ratings. Those will long be forgotten. What will not be forgotten are Obama's ratings, which are below those of George W Bush.

Think about it liberals -- you're defending a president who has lower approval ratings than George W Bush.

 

Wait..am I that bad at math? I show that 29% of 7 million is just over 2 million. 51,000 people is actually less than 1 percent of 7 million.