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Harden should be the 6th man.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Nubmonger, Oct 10, 2013.

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flamingdts said: ↑

Let's say you were right about Harden, the Rockets were up by as many as 25-8 in the opening quarter.

So whatever offense they were doing, obviously worked.
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It's because of talent. When Team USA plays other countries like Uganda the guys simply turns going one on one against their overmatched opponents. Why bother getting fancy?

ISO's are not necessarily a bad thing. Heck, if you have a mismatch--exploit it! Today...Harden and Parsons and Bev made some extraordinary one-on-one moves to the basket and the shots fell. Without Lin, Dwight was meanwhile relegated to post ups and shot 4 of 11. However maybe this is the way McHale wants to play...

#141 Rox23, Oct 10, 2013

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skyline07 said: ↑

Is there a way to ban LOF ip addresses? Maybe just block Taiwan?
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sorry i burst out laughing when i read this

#142 Karolik, Oct 10, 2013
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Rox23 said: ↑

It's because of talent. When Team USA plays other countries like Uganda the guys simply turns going one on one against their overmatched opponents. Why bother getting fancy?

ISO's are not necessarily a bad thing. Heck, if you have a mismatch--exploit it! Today...Harden and Parsons and Bev made some extraordinary one-on-one moves to the basket and the shots fell. Without Lin, Dwight was meanwhile relegated to post ups and shot 4 of 11. However maybe this is the way McHale wants to play...
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So you compare Harden to McGrady. OK. Rox to Team USA. Yeah Baby! Pacers to Uganda. . . .

#143 sirbaihu, Oct 10, 2013
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This thread is a train wreck, and yet almost no one seems to know it. It is amazing.

#144 JustAGuy, Oct 10, 2013
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Given the addition of Dwight Howard, I think it would be interesting to discuss the idea of Harden returning to his 6th man role on the team.

Harden is a premiere PNR player, but he actually thrives largely as a result of his own skill at finishing - he doesn't look to pass to the rolling big man so much as drive himself or pull off a step-back jumper. You could literally have anyone set the screen for Harden, and he would make it work. Similarly, you could just give the ball to him, space the floor, and he will still put up one of the highest offensive efficiencies in the game. Harden's assists largely come out of his own ability to score and collapse defenses (often frustratingly at the very end of the shot clock), which is great for perimeter shooters waiting for a feed but not so great for the big man who must back out of good shooting position in order to clear the lane.

Lin, on the other hand, is a very good PNR player, but utilizes the big man option much more readily. Howard would be happy getting fed easy buckets (and would be rewarded for hard rolling) and we wouldn't be as reliant on one guy having the carry the entire load for the whole game. It would be pretty easy to see the team's offense not dropping off all that much if you keep the ball in Lin's hands to find the open man and you let him and Howard play the PNR all day. You don't need a fantastic shot-creating SG in that case, and could just have a guy like AB or Garcia spread the floor, spot up on the perimeter, and take open shots.

If Harden can score at will even while playing with backup scrubs, and Lin and Howard still make a very good PNR tandem, wouldn't it make more sense to keep Lin & Howard together and stagger them with Harden? Especially when you consider that Asik would be playing primary backup to Howard, and we all know how much of a defensive anchor he is. Similarly, Beverley would be playing in for Lin, and he's such a "lockdown" defender on his man that he would help keep the defensive load off of Harden as well.

(Or, you could, I dunno, put all the best players on the floor and give them a real training camp to figure out how to play together. Especially given you have the PF that is wide open that you still need to figure out as well.)
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#145 rockets88MT, Oct 10, 2013
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sirbaihu said: ↑

So you compare Harden to McGrady. OK. Rox to Team USA. Yeah Baby! Pacers to Uganda. . . .
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Hey, if the Rox can average 110 point/game on an offense which is composed of 90% Harden ISO's...then I'm all for it. Might be a bit boring, but...at least they'll win. ISO's are not necessarily a bad thing if they work.

#146 Rox23, Oct 10, 2013
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It's because of talent. When Team USA plays other countries like Uganda the guys simply turns going one on one against their overmatched opponents. Why bother getting fancy?

ISO's are not necessarily a bad thing. Heck, if you have a mismatch--exploit it! Today...Harden and Parsons and Bev made some extraordinary one-on-one moves to the basket and the shots fell. Without Lin, Dwight was meanwhile relegated to post ups and shot 4 of 11. However maybe this is the way McHale wants to play...
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Are you saying that Dwight shot 4-11 because Lin wasn't on the lineup?

Has nothing to do with the fact that Dwight isn't going up against Stiemsma, but Roy Hibbert and one of the top defensive team last season?

#147 flamingdts, Oct 10, 2013

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interesting post...will read again

#148 d12babymamas, Oct 10, 2013
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I think what OP is saying is that, if, whenever Harden is in the game the offense is a Harden ISO fest, then it would be advantageous to have Harden with the second unit (which doesn't have a go-to scorer and which could play off the Harden ISO) than the first unit which with the Howard/Lin PnR, and Parson, could do more than enough damage on the offensive end w/out Harden. OP's argument makes a TON of sense; and this is exactly in fact what happened last year...the other starters would get subbed out meanwhile Harden would still play with the second unit. Harden won't ever be the sixth man though.

#149 Rox23, Oct 10, 2013
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Lol, some of ya seriously need a life beside harping on Lin for things you wish you could achieve.

#150 YallMean, Oct 11, 2013
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interesting thought

well, i would definitely vote to try it once during pre-season and see how it goes

#151 hikanoo49, Oct 11, 2013
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..... No, is this the internetss?
I no understanding

#152 Rox11, Oct 11, 2013
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iku said: ↑

Please don't specifically call out asian fans. I'm asian, and I fully understand sarcasm. Just because some fans don't understand internet sarcasm doesn't mean they're asian.
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Agree completely. I must apologize as I think my writing didn't come off clear. I meant to say that people seem to allege that certain Asians don't understand sarcasm, as when I read some posts attacking Lin fans about this, the comments sometimes seem directed at Asians (although this has died down recently, perhaps due to better moderation).

#153 rocketsfan4, Oct 11, 2013

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I had to log in to find out how many stars this thread has. I'm shocked by the results.

#154 don grahamleone, Oct 11, 2013
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Seriously , this idea is not that bad . Its just not nice for marketing.

#155 Knickskiller, Oct 11, 2013
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Knickskiller said: ↑

Seriously , this idea is not that bad . Its just not nice for marketing.
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Seriously. Only bad for the marketing? :grin:

This idea so wrong that nothing is right about it.

#156 YallMean, Oct 11, 2013
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Right, but when tracy mcgrady and yao were on the rockets, 90% of the threads on here were about them as well. It's a forum dedicated to the team, therefore people are entitled to create threads about players who they want to talk about.

I can see where the original poster got his idea from. He's basically stating the fact that the same argument can be made again Harden coming off the bench like how others are saying Lin should come off the bench. While I think this might not be a good idea, but I can understand where he's coming from.

Personally, I still think Lin should start with Harden. But this is another (Big) topic.
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Iku, you are the mvp of this thread.

Side note, Yao and TMac were the best two players on the team. Would you call Lin top two on this roster?

#157 don grahamleone, Oct 11, 2013
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Harden = All star
Lin = scrub... why they allow Lin off the bench still makes me shake my head...

#158 tycoonchip, Oct 11, 2013

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Now i have seen everything. Good God.

#159 Da_Spark, Oct 11, 2013
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Hey guys, let's put our superstar and best player on the bench. Gee that sounds like a good idea. Not.

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