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Suit in Oklahoma could knock out ObamaCare

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by bobmarley, Oct 9, 2013.

  1. fallenphoenix

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    yea, it's like obama won a popular vote running on this policy or something
     
  2. bobmarley

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    Is it a perfect system? No. Is it better than the one they are trying to ram down American's throats? Yes.

    Please explain how the govt dictated the terms of my current insurance?
     
  3. bobmarley

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    He didn't have a mandate though. The fact that the GOP took back the House made that pretty clear.

    The ACA was the plan presented during a time they had full control. It was pretty obvious the people weren't pleased with that.

    But instead of working together to create a system both sides can feel good about we get people calling people who disagree with them terrorists.
     
  4. TheresTheDagger

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    ^THIS. ALL DAY THIS^
     
  5. glynch

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    Me, too. Now that would increase our liberty per many conservatives and by "libertarians".
     
  6. Nolen

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    You are aware that house republicans actually received 1.6 million fewer votes than house democrats in 2012, but hung on to their seats through gerrymandering after the 2010 census?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections,_2012

    Even if that wasn't true, how is winning the presidential election by 5 million votes not a mandate? Did Bush Jr win by that much in 2004 when he got his "mandate"?

    Obamacare was one of the central issues of the 2012 elections, in which the dems won the Senate, the presidency, and got 1.6 million more votes in the house. You lost. You lost on the narrative, you lost the election, you lost the ACA battle. Get over it.

    Back in 2009/10 the big talking point was "two thirds of Americans are against it!", ignoring the fact that 1/3 were unhappy because they felt that the ACA didn't go far enough (i.e. public option.) Those who were against reform were really 1/3.

    Oh, the poor, poor little victim republicans. How oppressed they are.

    For years now the left can't propose a single thing without being called freedom hating Marxist socialist fascist commies, but no, the republicans are the poor little victims being bullied. Rolleyes.
     
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  7. mc mark

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    Yes, yes....good...let the hate flow through you....
     
  8. FranchiseBlade

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    This says it all.

    The ACA was crafted after a long process in which Republicans added more amendments than Democrats, where there were numerous meetings between Republicans and Democrats in coming up with the bill, and somehow there are Republicans that still claim they were bullied by the process?

    rimrocker even posted the stats of all of that.

    Here's a summation of his post.

     
  9. justtxyank

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    I hope you know that this type of situation was EXTREMELY rare. Even in California where they made a huge deal about it a few years ago, the studies found that it was less than 1% of the time.


    People rarely got dropped for getting sick. They got dropped for fraud. (Still less than 1%)

    You sign up for a policy and don't want to pay so you lie to get a lower premium.

    Anyway, the entirety of PPACA was not necessary to get rid of that problem.
     
  10. justtxyank

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    Please research the Republican amendments that were adopted before using that statistic to imply it was a bipartisan bill.
     
  11. mc mark

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    ACA was completely a republican idea birthed by the Heritage Foundation in the 90s. It was the rights counter to Hillarycare.
     
  12. FranchiseBlade

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    It goes beyond just the amendments. Though that is a part of it. There were the 31 meetings, and the fact that the model comes from the most recent GOP candidate, Bob Dole, and the Heritage Foundation.
     
  13. justtxyank

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    That's fine. Use that argument, not the amendment argument.
     
  14. SamFisher

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    Quite the internet victory you just claimed.

    SURE THE ACT IS BIPARTISAN, BUT AMENDMENTS IS REALLY ONLY NOMINALLY BIPARTISAN!
     
  15. Nook

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    This thread is just stupid. The suit in Oklahoma is not going to knock out ObamaCare. A Republican majority Supreme Court has already spoken and multiple elections have been held and ObamaCare is here to stay for better or worse.

    There are whores like Ted Cruz and Rand Paul that will whip up mock anger to appeal to the extremists on the right, but Cruz and Paul both know ObamaCare isn't going anywhere.

    I guess we no longer hear about Republican extremists fighting gay rights as often, so they need something else to complain about.
     
  16. Do_Not_Be_Alarm

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    My mother was/is scared of being rejected for a pre-existing condition. Breast Cancer. My father has been attempting to change jobs for some time now. That would mean my mother would have a new provider. Her fear is that if the cancer were to return (which it recently did:() and my father had switched jobs then the new provider would deny coverage as the cancer would be deemed a pre-existing condition. I’m not sure if she is correct but she’s articulated that fear to me in the past.
     
  17. justtxyank

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    Considering how obsessed with you are with validating your Internet douchebag image every chance you get, you of all people should be able to appreciate the Internet victories, no matter the size.
     
  18. justtxyank

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    In the state of Texas group policies have to honor prior coverage. They can't apply a pre-x if you had other coverage.

    With that said, I have no problem with the ACA making it illegal for insurance to deny or apply pre-x limitations. I'm all for it.
     
  19. Do_Not_Be_Alarm

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    Is that for every state or on a state by state basis.

    One of the opportunities that did not come to fruition was a position in FL. Would the same apply?
     
  20. justtxyank

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    It's state by state, but I do believe Florida has similar protections. It's been a long time since I looked at their rules.
     

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