McHale: We want to try to give Ömer close to Thïrty mpg

What if you use one of them in a pick and roll, and use the other as an off-ball screener? Then you can involve both of them in the offense while still having room for penetrations by the guards, and neither of them will need to shoot long jumpers.

Kind of like how Linsanity had pick-and-rolls with Tyson Chandler/JLin, and Jared Jeffries setting off-ball screens to free up Novak for easy shots. Asik is very good at setting hard screens with all that bulk and can do the Jeffries role on offense.

You can have Dwight and Lin do a pick and roll, and Asik setting an off-ball screen to free up Harden for a kickout. Asik may not have shooting ability, but he's big enough to force the guy guarding Harden to work over the screen, giving Harden a head start, or create a mismatch that Harden can exploit when he gets the kickout from the Lin/Howard pick and roll.

Or maybe you can have one of Asik/Howard involved in the primary pick and roll, and the other involved in a secondary side pick and roll when the 1st doesn't work.

I guess these experiments are what pre-season is for.

 

Man, just play Dwight at the 4, it's that simple. He's quick enough to guard all the 4's in the league and he's a great help defender any how.

 

Defense
That’s why teams have a coach to COUNTER. You can have the perfect twin towers game plan but the other teams coach can easily go small and have the 4 run around make the PF chase them consistently or stand around the three point line never really going into the paint on offense. I want asik to stay but Mchale has to understand this is not the old Celtics days & teams are capable of easily adjusting to the players he puts on the floor if they need to. Similar to how he made the adjustment to go small during the OKC series.

Offense
For this to work we need the best Ball handler on the team in the game when this Twin towers is going on. Reason being is because it will take great someone with good court, being able to dish out assist with a small amount space, no looks, lobs etc.

 

The league already knows what Asik can do, but giving him heavy minutes will hopefully keep him satisfied while Morey patiently waits for the right deal to move him.

 

agree! if omer and Greg Smith can play together why wouldn't be the same with Howard and Omer. I also was under the impression that Howard was a bad passer when doubled. I thought he had great vision in the 1st preseason game getting 3 assists.

 

There is gobs of space above the rim.

 

Not relevant.

We didn't have two 7ers on the floor at the same time. That's the whole point. Deron doesn't get in the lane as much, and Boozer is neutralized...so good luck beating us with your stretch 5, when everything else is being disrupted.

 

I recall Omer helping to close out on perimeter shooters. Being a genuinely huge 7 footer made him pretty effective at it, in my opinion. Sure, he didn't do it a great deal, but he is capable of it on defense. Offence? We'll have to see, but we should have 3 threats from outside whenever Howard and Asik are on the court together. It might work, and is certainly worth a try.

 

I know I've only watched the NBA since the early 90s, but I don't remember this being the case. I saw very little penetration in the 90s when the era was dominated by big men and plays ran through the low post. The wing positions, which today constitutes the top scorers in the NBA, were incredibly shallow at the time. I mean, Spree was once a 1st team All-NBA player.

If you trace NBA history, the floor spacing element of the offense has grown consistently over the years. The Celtics were among the first to really utilize the 3pt line. Rudy T won 2 championships by spreading the floor with 3pt shooters, including perhaps the first "small" lineup ever used with Horry/Ellie front court against Orlando in the 95 finals. Since then, how many top teams truly featured two bigs that couldn't shoot?

 

We have to at least try it out. If it works, it will be awesome.

The real question in all this is how the heck did that guy get Omer to talk for a 4 minute interview.

 

It will work fine. Just to make it simple, let's say both Howard and Asik play 8 minutes per quarter.

12:00-08:00: Howard Only
08:00-04:00: Howard and Asik
04:00-00:00: Asik Only

Oddly enough, I think this will give Harden and Parsons more rest throughout the season.

12:00-08:00: Lin/Harden/Parsons/PF/Howard
08:00-04:00: Beverley/Harden/Parsons/Howard/Asik
04:00-00:00: Lin/Beverley/Garcia/PF(or stretch 4)/Asik

This maximizes use of your top players (Lin, Beverley, Harden, Parsons, Howard, Asik), while still limiting their minutes (noone plays significantly more than 32), and limiting your exposure to unknowns or weaknesses (PF and stretch-PFs).

 

No they can't. Those people can be guarded easily at the perimeter (except Dirk), because our 4 will have less responsibility in the lane, since Dwight Howard is in there. The four now just stays with the stretch 4. The offense won't be able to peel him away from 4 as easily, because the help defense is best in the league.

Slow down. Think about this.

Let's not assume offenses will make McHale assign Asik and Howard the same help responsibilities as before. The whole point is the two on the court together actually makes their defensive help responsibility mutually easier.

Give me an actual example of when Asik or Howard would leave Kevin Love at the 3. Are we talking about running the triangle with Love in the corner.

Again, that's the whole point. Make the offense run something they aren't use to running.

 

Yes. I used to be a twin-towers detractor, but I converted (I forget who converted me -- I should probably go give that guy rep). Yes, if Asik is just standing by the basket, it's very easy to have his defender double-team Howard. It'd be nice if he could shoot jumpers, but basketball is more complicated than that. There are other counters to your man sagging off than shooting jumpers. I think it's going to work a lot better than the conventional wisdom says it can.

 

CH needs to start a poll. Clearly there are some that are for and some that are against. We need a public poll to know who's who.

Not a lot of poll choices simply a yes or no.

People need to stop talking about Aldridge or KLove since last I checked we dont have either. Asik is nasty I simply cannot fathom why people want him to sit. You play your best players guys. COME ON PEOPLE.

HOW ARE JONES OR DMO A BETTER OPTION. IN WHAT WORLD?

As opposed the monsters at the 4 in Dmo or Jones? Dmo is a project and Jones looks so raw out there I might prefer stromile swift at this point over Dmo and Jones. Dmo and jones are not cutting it guys and this is the big boys we dont have time to develop them anymore. You guys are talking about taking away from their development when you are taking away from developing extreme nastiness with asik and howard. I am disappoint.

People here make asik out the be a blithering idiot when he is top 5 center.

It's crazy to me that we can't have stretches with asik and howard together. Same way we can also go WHOLE GAME with at least one of them in at a time. Why is that so bad?

We need a poll. I know badlee is against, and I know Da spark is as well. Who else? Heypartner seems to be leaning yes.. deckard is a yes, and CH is laying low on the matter. Seems like some of us get to be wrong. Normally I would be inclined to agree with badlee or da spark but then I would be wrong too.

TTOF

GO TWIN TOWERS. MARK ME DOWN AS OFFICIAL TWIN TOWER FAN CLUB PRESIDENT IF YA WANT

 

What's so fascinating about this team is that we have so many options, with the ability to play conventionally or small or big. I really hope the team tries all three. The lack of a single routine may cost the team a couple of games during the regular season but it will reap rewards later in the playoffs when major adjustments are so often called for in long series against a single opponent.

I'd like to see an early first-quarter substitution of Asik for D-Mo and Bev for Lin (with a three guard rotation). That way they get to see how the twin towers work as a unit against every opponent for at least a few minutes (before Dwight gets a rest). Also, it will give Bev a chance to attack the opposing team's point guard when he's already a little tired.

 

You are operating under the very questionable assumption that anyone who posts here has any actual idea what will and won't work.

 

I had to make a login because I think TWIN towers are great!
I always believed whoever controls the rebound controls the game. 2 of the best re bounders in the world are in our team. So what if one of them gets doubled. They can just pass outside or inside OR do a hook shot then the other center can do a put back slam or a rebound to reset the clock. Who can beat them in the boards? no one

 

welcome to the board.

TWIN TOWERS ARE GOING TO BE SICK GUYS

Or I can stab myself in the heart and we can *develop* jones and dmo (come on people)

 

Well maury himself referred to viewing games in the 80s as the reason to more kind to the idea of howard and asik playing together
the pistons would roll up with a line up of mahorn, lambeer, and all three in dumars, zeke and dantley could still operate. A democratic offense will always find the open man, be it two big guys that can't shoot over 8ft.

Horace grant and cartwright. Horace shot the ball 10 times a game at most. from memory of the wgn days, they weren't 3 pointers nor all 13 ft Js though his 15ft J was pretty damn good for a pf. Asik's passing goes under appreciated, and it will be one of the reasons it will work.

It's not like we're going to go 38 straight minutes of howard and asik together on the floor.
Parsons and Harden will get more uncontested 3s this season. book it.

 

Yes, been hoping this was the plan. Looks like Dwight could be spending half his time being a 4. Damn, Howard already dominates C's imagine what he'd do to a PF. Think about the 48 mins of rebounds and top defense at C, the 15 mins of total domination by two of the best defensive, and rebounding centers in the league together it's... it's already making my mouth water.

Hell, then we have James ****ing Harden and Parsons, Lin, Beverley. Its unbelievable to be a rockets fan right now.