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How Many Shots are Available to the Rockets Starting Power Forward?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by jtr, Oct 7, 2013.

  1. jtr

    jtr Member

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    Thank you durvasa. I do respect your opinion. I have had unorganized thoughts along those lines. Perhaps I should completely forgo posts and just start threads? What are your thoughts?

    The above is completely disjointed. Are you proposing that I simply start stats based threads and never comment on any reply to that thread?
     
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  2. Rox23

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    The trade won't happen so no need to get excited. Portland would probably also want Parsons and/or Lin and who knows who else. People just need to relax and root for the guys we have on the floor now instead of fantasizing about guys that we don't have. The grass is always greener, as they say. Morey has stated inexplicably that the Rox front office is not entertaining talks with other teams about a trade for Asik--they don't want to hear from anyone; and anyone includes Portland.
     
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    So, lost in all this ****slinging, my point earlier has not yet been answered: if reducing the number of shots the other Rockets starters raises their (and, by extension, the entire team's) efficiency, then why would the Rockets PF be limited to a certain fixed number of shots?
     
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    Again, you aren't answering my question. It isn't about Portland, it's about Morey and his pursuit of LMA. If LMA is such a bad player for us, why does Morey want him so bad?
     
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    My point isn't about whether we should trade or not, just that if Portland calls tomorrow and says, "Hey Morey, you want LMA for Asik?", Morey will have Asik delivered to Portland on the next flight.

    Morey would love to have LMA - what a massive upgrade over Jones/Dmo. For those who say, "LMA is good at a bad shot". So ridiculous. LMA is going to shoot the lights out of the open 13 foot jumper - you know why? Because he is going to be WIDE OPEN. Guess what, being open makes a bit difference in your EF%
     
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    You apparently want him badly.

    However Morey is the GM. And where ever has Morey stated that he wants LMA and that he would be willing to trade Asik to get him? Proof...
     
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    Yeah, jtr has been ignoring my

    "33 minutes is arbitrary"

    statement of fact for 3 pages too. It's disrespectful. (But he has no response.)

    If jtr is not careful, I will challenge him to an arrogance battle. Be warned, my p-value is 10/10, according to my lady friends. As for STDDEV, I like to be dominated on occasion, but nothing too kinky.
     
  8. jtr

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    Would you please cite your references as to Morey wanting LMA? Are their any post acquisition of Harden? Are their any post acquisition of Howard?

    Morey seems to be a tight fisted sob. Does anything get out that does not serve his purpose. OK, the McHale support of drafting White is an exception.
     
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    You have to be joking right? Geez.
     
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    Please don't think that you should restrict your posting. A lot of people value your input. Engage people, and by all means argue for your methods if you believe them to be sound and others are challenging them. I'm simply suggesting that you not take things so personally. People aren't going to be rude, for the most part, so long as you address the posters here with respect.
     
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    Seriously? You need proof? Morey can't comment on another teams players.
     
  12. jtr

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    I am just not apprised of the facts that you have asked me to respond to. However without any evidence on the matter I cannot comment.

    Does all of the evidence come from CF posts?
     
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    Didn't Morey say that keeping Asik would be better for the Rockets as a team than trading for a "star power forward"? He said that in an interview earlier this summer. How exactly are you interpreting this comment to think that Morey would all of a sudden surprise us with a LMA for Asik trade???
     
  14. JBar

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    The answer is clearly that they wouldn't. Shot attempt numbers aren't static. On all star teams most players' usage rates naturally go down. There's nothing fixed about how many shots players must take.

    By far the stat that has the biggest impact on team offense is points per shot attempt (i.e. team true shooting % or team efficiency). What remains of team offense that isn't accounted for by that stat is the found in stats describing the ability to extend or lose possessions: offensive rebounds and turnovers. And finally there's the small issue of quality of turnover: i.e. live ball turnovers in the back court, as opposed to dead ball turnovers, will lead to easier buckets for the other side. And that pretty much covers it on the offensive end. I think JTR is making this more complicated, or maybe in some ways more simple, than it needs to be.

    All that said, JTR is probably right that with good offensive players such as Harden, Howard, Parsons and Lin, the 4 isn't likely to get many shots. Still, his ability at least to hit open shots so as to keep defenses honest will help to keep team shooting % high.
     
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    Thank you for bringing us back on track, JBar. To review:

    OP claims that last year's "big three" plus last year's Howard will leave 8.15 shots to this year's PF.

    OP gives Howard three more FGA based on the Orlando Magic. Which leaves 5.15 FGA for this year's PF.

    This is assuming all four players average 33 minutes per game, +/-5%, even though three of them played more than that last season and the season before that when they were on the Orlando Magic (but not the Thunder or Knicks).

    In other words, the four will have last year's FGA (except Howard), but not last year's MPG (except Lin).

    We should be mindful that the Rox sucked at/shot fewer midrange jump shots last year. OP believes that McHale will continue to enforce this trend with this year's PF's/a PF from another team TBA.
     
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    So it was a mistake to let Royce White go?
     
  17. jtr

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    Before you ask that question you have to at least describe the circumstances by which such a scenario could arise.

    You cannot depend on the day to day variance of data (a Carl Herrera trademark obfuscation). You have have make a case for a seasons data being changed.

    Several things can bring about a serious modification of a seasons data. The emergence of a seminal rookie such as Lillard. A catastrophic injury such as happened to Rose. What are you proposing?
     
  18. JBar

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    Say, something as simple as, Harden or Lin thinking two or three extra times a game: "Instead of driving into the trees this time, I'm going to kick the ball out to the wide open stretch 4, who has really been knocking down those open threes at a high percentage recently."
     
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    I like to think Morey lurks these forums shaking his head at how much of a douche you are.

    Honestly though, I ain't even mad. I'm more impressed, really. These levels of douchedom are rarely achieved. Bravo.
     
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    It's not All Stars only who can hit open threes...
     

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