Official 2013 Budget/Debt Limit/Obamacare Crisis Thread

The socialists at Bloomberg Businessweek illustrate how catastrophic a default would be. But, we knew that. We knew that in 2011 when the Republicans strapped on the suicide vests, but didn't pull the trigger. Let's hope it malfunctions again in 2013.

There's more in the story, but I don't want to post three pages of text. But, it certainly lays out a measured, business-centered argument about why default would be a man-made disaster.

 

Again this shows that you really have no understanding.

Except that at parks a lot of people stop to take pictures on the shoulder so in the case of a scenic view like Mt Rushmore that function of the shoulder doesn't work quite like it would in a regular road.

Again you do understand what shutdown means? It doesn't seem like you do and frankly I don't think you understand what happens in parks normally. Yes there are a lot of people in parks but in most parks access is controlled, why you have to buy a ticket to drive into most, as noted in parks like Zion, Yosemite and Yellowstone most people can't just drive into them anymore. As far as security during a shut down that twice as much security is largely gone because there isn't the funds to pay it.

So you are expecting local police in rural areas who already have to cover a large area to pick up the slack for park rangers that are no longer available.

Considering that the likely primary purpose of closing the shoulder at Mount Rushmore is to prevent people from stopping. While yes people will now likely slow down but they likely won't be able to stop.

Anyway you are still completely ignoring why in a shutdown the parks are shut down.

 

FYI for those who don't know Rimrocker works for the National Park Service. Also just for the record I have worked as a consultant for the National Park Service too.

 

Two years ago Obama and Boehnor had put together a grand bargain that would've cut $4 Trillion from the budget. Boehnor couldn't get his caucus to agree to it so that deal fell apart. What is causing the current shutdown isn't spending cuts but doing away with the ACA.

 

The craziest thing is that it might happen this time. The folks figuratively strapping bombs their chests actually thing they can blame someone else for the bomb, so they have no problems doing it.

Fortunately, I think money will win out. Those in Congress with significant investments likely don't want the U.S. to default because it will hurt their investments; additionally, their lobbyists probably don't want it to happen either. I don't think anyone really wants it to happen except for the truly crazy (those that believe the bull**** they spew like Michelle Bachmann).

 

That four trillion bargain was only blocked for political reasons. Couldnt make a deal with the evil obama.

 

I'm thinking the President deserves an apology from you.

DOJ: No, The Amber Alert System Is Not Down

 

more like yolo

“I think we need to have that moment where we realize [we’re] going broke,” Yoho said. If the debt ceiling isn’t raised, that will sure as heck be a moment. “I think, personally, it would bring stability to the world markets,” since they would be assured that the United States had moved decisively to curb its debt.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...b5aa8c-2c3c-11e3-8ade-a1f23cda135e_print.html

 

The normally right-leaning Guardian published the following opinion piece. I tend to agree with this guy's main point about the future of democracy and the current behavior of the GOP. He uses the terms "extortion" and "shakedown", and it's hard to argue with those assessments.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/oct/06/obama-shutdown-dont-cave-republicans

excerpt:
"While the government shutdown is nominally about the Republican crusade against Obamacare, the issues at stake are far bigger than one law or even one president or one Congress. In reality, the psychodrama playing out in Washington is about the future of democracy in America.

And no, I'm not exaggerating. Unless the GOP's brand of extortion politics is thwarted, America's democratic institutions will be so badly subverted that the nation will simply find itself in the position of staggering from one manufactured crisis to another with potentially both political parties threatening economic and political Armageddon if they don't get their way. That is, quite simply, no way to run a democracy and it's why the only option facing President Obama and the Democratic party is to win this showdown and force the GOP to concede defeat."

 

I think extending the debt ceiling wasnt always subject to a vote

 

security is not gone. security has increased since the shutdown. That was the point rj. I assume you misread my statement.

local police handle the accidents at national parks. I have worked at Yellowstone. it would not be picking up the slack as they currently do it.

They would be stopped on the shoulder so people can keep driving on the road. Thats what a shoulder is for.........

And you are ignoring why michelle obama's 'let's move' website is up and these monuments are closed.

 

Do you not understand how the Internet works?

 

Keep digging that grave republicans.

Poll: Shutdown Could Cost GOP Control Of The House

Polls thus far have indicated that the public places most of the blame for the shutdown on Republicans in Congress. A Quinnipiac University poll released last week found that voters nationwide prefer a generic Democrat over a generic Republican in the 2014 congressional races, 43 percent to 34 percent.

 

Can I burn down your house?

No.

Just the 2nd floor?

No.

Garage?

No.

Let's talk about what I can burn down.

No.

YOU AREN'T COMPROMISING!!!!

 

dick gephardt eliminated the debt ceiling vote in 1979, the republicans brought it back in 1995

 

This is pure gold....Just made my day

"Of course, I want people to have health care," Vinson said. "I just didn't realize I would be the one who was going to pay for it personally."

A Well Off Democrat Realizing There Is No Free Healthcare For All

 

As a not so sophisticated individual, I can see how these "zingers" would make your day.

More from the article:

So, she retired at 60? Odd, that is kinda early. Seems like she should work till 65 until she is eligible for medicare.

 

I am curious about that since the government shutdown has slashed the budget to the parks. Do you have a link to this?

I will defer to Rimrocker or someone else on this. From my limited knowledge and a quick Google search while many parks have concurrent jurisdiction with local municipalities it looks like many things are handled by rangers and NPS police.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Park_Service_Ranger#Law_Enforcement_and_Emergency_Services
Again given the size of national parks and that they are for the most part in sparsely populated rural areas I doubt that local police handle most incidents in parks.

Once again you don't get the point even though you seem to be saying what I am saying. People stop along the shoulder to take pictures of scenic sites because of rubbernecking or traffic calming people, especially on two lane roads will slow down when cars are parked on the shoulder. If the just left it unregulated so that anyone anytime could just stop along the shoulder there will likely be a stand still of traffic. Not to forget the other reasons that Rimrocker cited.

Riiight.. because maintaining a website is the same as maintaining and protecting a national monument.

 

of course she hopes everyone will join in, the whole system is designed to lower costs for the uninsured and old on the backs of the the young and healthy. Obamacare is fantastic if you're poor, what if you're the guy whose family will be spending $10k more per year, that's a lease on an S550 or a vacation to paris.