Official 2013 Budget/Debt Limit/Obamacare Crisis Thread

Evidence? have you not been reading about the monuments? anyways

 

tallanvor with his anonymous park ranger quotes from a writer previously fired for making up quotes. cue Debbie Downer...

 

link? he was with Washington Times from 1982 - 2008 and wasn't fired. HE still writes for them.

look you don't need a quote to tell you the parks and services are closing monuments and making life difficult for visitors. You can see the barricades......

 

One day it's 'Obama is the weakest president ever' -- the next -- 'Obama controls everything'.
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'The barricade and cones on 43rd street should spell out Allah in Arabic -- correct this immediately'

~B. Obama

 

Who said Obama controls everything? Does he have the power to order around Parks and Services? Of course.

 

No you've insinuated from the quote that Obama had some personal involvement in closing down every park in America.

Link?

Wesley Pruden, man of mystery.

In 2003, the Southern Poverty Law Center accused Pruden of using The Washington Times to push "extremist, neo-Confederate ideas."[7] The report from the SPLC also stated that Pruden was "fired in 1978 by the now-defunct National Observer, where he had worked for 14 years, under suspicion that he had 'manufactured' quotes in his stories."[8]

Under Pruden's editorship, every Saturday The Washington Times ran a full page of stories on the American Civil War, the only daily newspaper in the United States to do so.[9] Pruden called it "probably our single most popular feature", and noted that "There are more books published on the Civil War than on any other American topic." Pruden said that "the Civil War page has just as many stories about glorifying the Union as it does the Confederacy." Soon after Pruden retired as editor-in-chief, the Times announced that the Civil War page would be expanded to include coverage of all America's wars and would be renamed "America at War."[10]

On November 17, 2009, Pruden published an opinion piece in the Washington Times titled "Obama bows, the nation cringes," where he set forth his thoughts on what he considered President Obama's breaches of etiquette committed on his tour of Asia, such as bowing to Emperor Akihito of Japan. In the article, he expressed the opinion that since President Obama was "sired by a Kenyan father, born to a mother attracted to men of the Third World and reared by grandparents in Hawaii," he "has no natural instinct or blood impulse for what [America] is about."[11] A number of liberal commentators criticized the column as racist.[12]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesley_Pruden#cite_note-8


Pruden started with the Times shortly after its founding. He was originally hired on a probationary basis, founding editor and publisher James Whelan told the Washington Business Journal, because Pruden had run into ethical problems as a reporter.

According to Whelan, Pruden was fired in 1978 by the now-defunct National Observer, where he had worked for 14 years, under suspicion that he had "manufactured" quotes in his stories. (Pruden refused to comment on the reasons for

http://www.splcenter.org/get-inform...l-issues/2003/summer/defending-dixie?page=0,1

In 1998, Pruden, whose newspaper is the only major daily in America that runs a weekly page about a war that ended 138 years ago, spoke to the United Daughters of the Confederacy at the Manassas Battlefield Park. He began by making the kind of promise most editors avoid at any cost: "I will never fail to respond to you when you call on me for help, because I believe in what you are doing to cherish and protect and preserve the heritage of our great Southern people."

Concluding with a flourish, Pruden said "Southerners ... hold loyalty to two countries in our hearts." The second country is one "baptized 137 years ago on this very field in the blood of First Manassas, a country no longer at the mercy of the vicissitudes in the tangled affairs of men, a country that lives within us, a country that will endure for as long as men and women know love. ... God bless America, God bless the Confederate States of America, and God bless you all."

http://www.splcenter.org/get-inform...l-issues/2003/summer/defending-dixie?page=0,1

 

So, in your brain, who is closing down the monuments? Just a random act by Parks services for fun?

also love the idea that PArks services can't be ordered around because they are 'mobile'.

Where is the misquote? You made me read through like 4 paragraphs of crap and all it had was some third party group claiming he was fired in 1978 for misquoting. That's it?

 

Yeah, go find it. You want to quote articles from a Confederate crazy with a racist past, be my guest. Not altogether surprising really.

Give me the name of the park ranger quoted too. Thanks.

 

OH so now you are calling him racist instead of finding your suggested misquote? awesome. Throw more **** at the wall.

Even if he did misquote this (no idea why you would believe that), you know monuments are being barricaded. Why do you think they are being barricaded? Who do you think is ordering this?\

It is so weird that you are shown evidence and your brain just can't allow for it to be. Are you under the impression the stories of veterans breaking through these barricades is false? Extreme denial.

He would instantly be fired.....

 

Once again a lot of y'all don't seem to understand what "government shutdown" means.

By law nonessential elements of the government need to be shut down as a shutdown because of budget reasons means that funding will be cut off. The OMB does have wide latitude in determining what is essential but given there is only so much funding left unfortunately things like parks and monuments don't make the cut.

Anyway if the Admin. chose to keep the parks and monuments given this is a shutdown then the funding for that has to come from someplace. Would people prefer they stop making Social Security payments to keep parks open?

Another thing totally forgotten here is that parks and monuments actually require upkeep and protection. You can't just leave them open to the public without supervision to keep kids from scratching their names in monuments or someone lighting a campfire in a fire sensitive area. While there are places within national parks that are run privately overall the park isn't. This would be like if a mall was shutdown it isn't like the Banana Republic store in it can just open.

This is just spin or ignorance (willful or not) that it is only spite on Obama's part to close parks during a government shutdown.

 

I didn't say I had the misquote, I said he was fired for making up quotes. Maybe you didn't follow or read or compute. You asked for a link, I not only gave you the link citing it I gave you plenty more links showing this guy to be a Confederate fan boy and a bigot.

I get it though. Anonymous quotes in editorials from Confederate bigots about Obama.

CREDIBLE


This is right there with your fake IRS scandal.

OBAMA TARGETING CONSERVATIVES

oh wait, no it wasn't Obama in fact it wasn't just conservatives either, oh nevermind. On to the next made up scandal

 

Yes we need protection and upkeep for those road shoulders with views of Mt Rushmore that have been blocked off.........

 

On msnbc ezra klein talked about not being able to select who gets paid and who doesnt just because the system that produces checks is so enormous. the govt sends out millions of paychecks

 

You posted an opinion from a group who found one of his comments racist......

You dodged all my questions too. Who, in your mind, is barricading the monuments?

Wait what? The IRS admitted to targeting conservatives. They came out and said 'sry we targeted conservative groups, that was wrong'. That's how the controversy started.

 

I can't speak specifically to the what is going on at Mount Rushmore but if that road is on National Park land it makes sense. Believe it or not roads need upkeep and also need personnel to check traffic and provide for safety. In many national parks such as Zion and Yosemite most people can't just drive into them anymore because of how bad traffic got. Maybe in your mind we can just leave roads into National Parks unregulated and just let as many people who want to drive into them whenever they want to. If we did that would pretty much destroy the national parks.

 

It isn't in his brain who's closing down the parks and monuments. It's a matter of record. Republicans are the only ones who threatened and implemented the shutdown.

Come come, Doc Tal. You can do better than that.

 

the road isn't closed. the shoulder is.......

If your complaint is traffic that makes no sense.

 

What makes no sense is your refusal to place blame on those that shut the govt. down.

 

And you don't think the shoulders need upkeep too? Further closing the shoulder makes more sense because likely people were stopping there to take pics of Mount Rushmore. Now what do you think with no park rangers patrolling and directing traffic that then we should just let as many people as they want and whenever they want park on the shoulders to look at Mount Rushmore?

What do you think would happen if an accident happened there because of people looking at Mount Rushmore and there was no ranger to help out?

Again you don't seem to understand the why things are shutdown.