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Terrence Jones sidesteps questions about Portland incident, impresses Dwight Howard

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Carl Herrera, Oct 3, 2013.

  1. basketballholic

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    And I'm not convinced altogether that one of them won't turn into a good player. But it sure appears to me right now that IF they do it's gonna take another whole season and off season of work. Thats my opinion. I'm sticking to it until proven wrong.
     
  2. WinkFan

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    It's hard to imagine that someone would consider 30% average for a 3-point shooter, since the NBA average is about 35.5%, and one team has shot less than 30% in the last 4 years. Straw man much?

    Midrange shots aren't ideal, but I'd take guys like Ibaka, MGasol, Bosh, Duncan, Garnett, over Ryan Anderson, Matt Bonner, or Ilyasova any day. Those guys aren't stars because they shot 45% from midrange, they're stars because they do other things.

    Chris Bosh, Norris Cole, Terrel Harris, and Dwayne Wade were 54 for 206 from 3point range for your 2011-12 champion Miami Heat. That 26% on 20% of the team's 3's. That season the Heat shot an average percentage on the 23rd most attempts in the league. And since the current Heat have been together, Dwayne Wade has only had one season where he shot over 30%, and they didn't win the Title.
     
  3. Tfor3

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    Sweet:eek:
     
  4. TJ VS TR

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    TJ actually shot pretty well at the end of the season, when he finally found his groove after sitting out for so long after the injury. 36% in March was pretty good. I watched quite a few of those games I remember. Of course we don't know if he could sustain that but the promise is definitely there.
     
  5. Roachiep

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    I have to respectfully disagree with your overall analysis of TJ's work ethic, development and expected career arc. And comparing his growth/improvement with someone like Kawhi Leonard is a poor comparison, and has so many different factors affecting the performance and stats of each, that a player to player comparison is not only misleading, but completely unfair to TJ.

    Kawhi was gifted to the Spurs, an ultra athletic SF with great on-ball D skills, great athleticism, hustle and a nice shot, albeit rough around the edges and in need of lots of NBA level coaching to reach his massive potential. He was lucky enough to go to a perennial contender. That alone is enough to give him a leg up on almost ANY 1st or 2nd year player you compare him to.

    He is never asked or expected to create his own shot, never asked to bring the ball up and set up the offense. He is a great complimentary piece to an already amazing Spurs squad. Kawhi sitting at the 3pt line waiting for the kick from a driving Tony Parker or Manu, or a corner pass from Duncan or Splitter as the D crashes down on the post, Kawhi is WIDE OPEN on a great majority of his shots. The Spurs being so great annually and having one of the best coaches with the best schemes is a young player's dream scenario. No pressure, just work on your shot and hustle.

    TJ went to a bad and rebuilding on the fly Rockets squad. As a freshman at UK, he was the all-around guy on an all-American laden roster. And a big part of their championship run. His second year, he was expected to take on more of a leadership role as UK restocked with another 6-7 freshmen and TJ became the vet leader. His all-around game improved tremendously during year 2 at Kentucky, but his 3pt shot stayed the same. Rookie season with the Rockets he is bouncing between RGV and the end of the Rockets bench, getting almost no significant or meaningful minutes until very late in the season, and he did show tremendous ball skills for his size, great athleticism, good D skills, with his leaping ability and aggressive style of play allowing him to get more blocks than most his size.

    He mostly had mop-up minutes last year. The games were usually already decided when he finally saw the floor. ALL players in mop-up duty roles try to get stats, shots and the ball in their hands as much as possible. He was on a running team. The offense the Spurs run is just about as different from the Rockets offense as is possible. Rockets run 100% of the time, and the Pick n roll is the only play on offense. Tony Parker runs one of the best and most efficient offenses this century. TJ cant just float to the open spot on the 3pt line and wait for the pass. He is an attacking type player and has the ability to create his own shot, a skill he is far better at than Kawhi.

    TJ wanted to earn more minutes and am sure that he forced a lot of things once he got on the floor trying to do as much as possible in his limited game action.

    Not having seen either of these guys at the gym or knowing any factual firsthand information about either's workout routines, you cant possibly know to what extent if any TJ has improved or much more dedicated/hardworking Kawhi is. Stick to the facts and lets all hope TJ is several steps closer to being that stretch 4 with the great allaround game we are all hoping he develops into.
     
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    The facts are his jumper is the same shot. I said he could have spent hours in the gym working on his game. But he didn't fix his jump shot. He didn't fix the key thing we need him to fix to be of the maximum possible use to this team. That should tell you something. I didn't compare him to Kawhi. Somebody else brought Kawhi up. I simply told you the plain difference between them. Oh, that terrible Rockets team...was a playoff team last year...that traded away two power forwards and was looking for the guy at the four spot. Jones had all the opportunity to step up and grab it. He didn't. Primarily because he can't shoot the 3-ball.
     
  7. Amel

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    And you saw that based on one game? LOL
     
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    we dont know the full story of what happened in portland. but the cop says he saw him yell "wake up" and stomp the homeless man after he left the club. if it is true then that is ****ed up. i dont have any respect for people like that. especially for someone who has it made and is making millions playing basketball. i like his game and was rooting for him last season, but honestly that incident made me lose most of my respect for tjones.

    hopefully he changes his attitude, people make mistakes.
     
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    just say what you did was unacceptable and apologize and move on....the questions just going to keep popping up if you say nothing.
     
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    When we traded away our starting PF and his back up Morey wanted DMo to be the starter. That had nothing to do with Jones stepping up his game or not. Plus Jones was in McHale's dog house early in the season. But he got his chance and did a decent job.
     
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    Based on what I've seen (and heard) all summer and now in training camp and the first game.
     
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    TJones: Blocking shots
    DMo: Speed and post play

    Now you, Casspi's fan, name me one area where Casspi is better than average at POWER FORWARD position. Don't say shooting, because that's not a priority for a PF, not even on this team, since PF is the last option on offense in our starting lineup.
     
  13. Joe Joe

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    Actually, shooting is a priority at the PF spot.
     
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    Thats not the only reason why TJ wasnt considered. T Jones also had a thumb injury last year that came at disadvanteous time. It kept him out of consideration and helped D-Mo and Greg Smith get chances who had more experience and practice time to be looked at. Also the Thomas Robinson trial cut into his chances. If TJ or DMO or any rookie or frontcourt player could shoot the 3 coming in theyda been lottery picks.

    Im saying youre right that shooting the three woulda helped. But its not the only thing why a player gets to start. Patrick Patterson can shoot the 3 and he was dealt. Im sure if PPat didnt shoot the 3 heda been the starter anyway. Same with Marcus Morris, he could shoot the 3 (dealt all part of the not too secret salary dump Dwight chase but still)
     
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    What a stupid comment. Do you have any idea how the criminal justice system works? Why would a person accused of a crime publicly admit to that crime when their case is pending?
     
  16. SuperKev

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    Basketballholic seems to have decided we absolutely *must have a stretch 4. Lots of advocates here for Aldridge who is a career 20% 3pt shooter. Replicating the previous situation in Orlando is not absolutely THE only way. That was very productive for DH but there are numerous chalkboard ways to achieve almost the same thing. Jones could work out quite easily without ever having a deadly long range shot.
     
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    After consecutively drafting Morris, Montiejunas, Jones, White, and then even turning Patrick Patterson into a 3pt shooter as well, you would think that by now, Rockets fans would get a sense for what the team's priority at PF is.
     
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    Jones would be far better served eliminating his jumper completely. He should never shoot outside of 15 feet.

    He could be a dominant rebounder, shot blocker and finisher.

    He could be Josh Smith...
     
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    Based on what you have seen you would know he shot close to 37% from 3 point land in Summer League Orlando. He drained threes in training camp. The percentage is above average to good. Very good for a PF.

    WTH have you been really watching? The one thing is that his shooting mechanique does not look beautiful but it went in as for now.
    He was constantly lauded and given credit to by team mates, journalists and coaches.

    And the bad thing is he stepped on a homeless. That is all.
     
  20. daywalker02

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    Shawn Marion's shooting mechanique was beyond grotesque and he was still shooting it.
     

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