Official 2013 Budget/Debt Limit/Obamacare Crisis Thread

Living off the government wouldn't make the city bankrupt, unless their is some city welfare checks i'm unaware of.

Detroit has the issues it has because the back bone of it's economy failed, not because of their percentage of minorities.

You really are exposing your self as nothing more than a troll, at first you seemed like a passionate tea party type, now it's obvious you are just trying to say ridiculous things.

 

It's a good thing the US and Detroit are two different entities, eh? But hey, if you are able to contribute anything beyond irrelevant images, feel free to participate.

 

The insane spending process of the Obama years is there is no budget and no appropriations bills, just continuing resolutions where your only options are to rubber stamp all spending, or else shut down the government.

Obama threatening to veto piecemeal spending bills. Either the GOP funds Obamcare or he won't fund the VA, when the latter has nothing to do with the former. Obama signed the military stand alone funding, but he realizes the more of those he does, the more impotent his shutdown threat becomes. So he's refusing to do it for things like NIH and the VA or National Parks.

 

I'm not sure where you've been lately, but the shutdown threat comes from the Republicans and not Obama.

If the House wants to debate Obamacare they can pass the budget at sequester levels and then debate Obamacare. Instead of doing that, they've chosen to shut down the govt.

 

the shutdown is great bc who is suffering right now? It's not the republicans bc they're typically well off, well to do people with good paying jobs. The people suffering tonight without money to pay for food and stuff are the obama supporters.

 

Yeah people starving rules brah.

 

I really don't get how people can't see he's just pulling a colbert.

 

Yeah he jumped the shark on that one.

 

disagree, Obama wants everything funded or nothing gets funded (shutdown)

GOP is trying to negotiate something in between

 

If that's true they would have gone into conference 1 of the last 18 times Dems have asked for in the last year instead of waiting until 2 hours before the deadline.

 

No Obama never brought up the idea of funding everything or nothing. The Republicans were the only ones who brought forward the idea of funding absolutely nothing, and thus the shutdown. That was never Obama's idea. Also Obama didn't demand that everything get funded. He has agreed to a deal that keeps all the cuts of the sequester in place. That is far from funding everything Obama would like to have funded. The Republicans have refused to bring that up for a vote.

Obama doesn't want budget to be about policy, and the Republicans are trying to reverse passed and Supreme Court approved policy using the budget as extortion.

This bit has already been posted in a more visually pleasing way than I can do it but here it is again.

A Republican negotiating:

It would be like the Democrats threaten to shut down the govt. unless the congress would pass gun control legislation and then the GOP refuses. The Democrats come back and only ask for reducing magazine capacity and expanded background checks.
Then when the GOP refuses to give in, the Democrats come back and only ask for background checks or the shutdown would continue. When the GOP tells them that they already had a chance to vote on that, the Democrats complain that the GOP isn't compromising, and they demand it's all or nothing their way.

Now, the truth is that Obama and the Democrats have already compromised in offering to fund the govt. at levels of the sequester, and the GOP has refused.

ACA is off the table, and it should be.

 

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to FranchiseBlade again.

 

PLUS ONE!

 

Yes because why not? They can't pass legislation without a majority so they can simply control the entire budget by refusing to fund what they don't like.

Imagine if the dems did the same thing when Bush was president? You would be screaming!

 

I'm not really here on this post for intelligent debate. Just want throw out there that republicans are awfully dumb.

 

That is awesome how you turned this into Obama won't fund the VA unless you fund Obamacare. That is classic conservatism at work.

 

The sequester was for a different fiscal year with a different Congress. These are new negotiations. Obama is not entitled to sequester levels of spending in perpetuity because he made a deal a year ago. Spending levels are negotiated each year.

This is a consequence of passing ACA on a party line vote (no major piece of economically transformative legislation prior was passed this way). Congress has the power of the purse and the GOP members were elected to block ACA, so that is what they are trying to do. It's not extortion, it's a constitutionally mandated power granted to Congress.

And of course budget should be about policy.

It doesn't work that way, all spending is up for debate in a democracy, nothing is "off the table".

Each portion of government, including ACA, should be debated and funded on it's own merits, not an all or nothing deal. If the GOP doesn't fund ACA, Obama can make the case and punish them at the ballot box, but right now they have spending authority and are exercising it.

Obama is already delaying portions of his law for a year, and the GOP wants to extend this waiver to the rest of the law. We've already seen with the rollout that it isn't ready. Granting a mandate exemption to corporations but not individuals (and doing it by executive decree) justifies delaying the entire thing.

This argument has merit. As I understand it, the fear is that the debt ceiling would be raised in conference and then passed with only 51 votes needed since it would be a spending bill. Cruz and others want to guarantee the debt ceiling would never be raised without 60+ votes.

Obama already said he would veto piecemeal funding bills for things like the VA.

There's very little I personally would be upset over not funding.

Also unrealistic in that there is no spending the Dems want to get rid of except perhaps defense. And funding defense is more popular than funding ACA, it has bipartisan support.

But if GWB said he was shutting down the government unless Dems fund the F-22, I imagine that might be an untenable position for him.

 

obama-rama is taking over washington with executive force. If you disagree it's bc you're racist and if you agree then you're a socialist who hates the rich.
He's turned is into a country of the rich and the poor, the middle class are just schmucks who work but can't save anything and anything that happens usually affects them the most ie rising healthcare rates bc we all know $200/month more to the rich is nothing, the poor get subsidies so joe schmo is who gets his disposable income disposed.

I enjoy trolling but have realized the majority of people on this site are well below that $100,000/year income range and will never see things the way texx or i do and that's fine bc we would probably both feel the same way about the rich if we were the mediocre. Look I don't hate the poor, I always give money to the homeless, I always tip well, I know Im blessed and im thankful.

What I hate is the illegals using our schools, what i hate is seeing a poor person with multiple kids and food stamps not working, what I hate is seeing african americans with pants hanging off their butts and backwards hats with complete inability to string together a sentence wonder why nobody will hire them

We've cultivated a culture where being thug and poor is cool thanks to rap music glorifying how awesome it is to be poor and make money in anyway but the business world via selling drugs,robbery, and a music career amongst other things and now our urban youths have bought in and any chance of them being educated by the masses is long long gone. The rich will continue to educate their children, they will continue to pass on serious wealth to their children and the gap will grow and grow and taxes will have to rise and rise to support an evergrowing group on lazy americans.

It's very ugly and it's a big problem today and will get worse, disagree with me all you want but we both know that there should be a child limit like china has, but we should make ours based on income level. Im tired of us rewarding people for being baby factories, seriously, why don't the rich pump out 7-10 kids? BC it's just overkill and has turned into a business for the poor. We pay $600/month if your kid has mental issues so if you're poor and pump out 6 kids and 2 have mental issues well now you have a $3-4k/month business

 

How is piecemeal funding anything other than a way to dismantle Obamacare and anything else you don't like? Oooookay geniuses, nobody could figure that out.

You don't want to fund anything you don't like. Big freaking surprise.

 

I wouldn't say anything, but Obamacare in particular is a red line for the constituents of these GOP congressmen. This isn't like other government do-gooder programs. Once the state controls your health care, they own you.