Obama made the error that led to congressional gridlock and the partial govt shutdown

Texxie is throwing the word "weak" around so much.

I am so thankful that you, Texxx, will never have any voice in Washington. Thank God that the only recognition you get is on a BBS. You are way too weak of an individual to think for yourself. Instead, you take the far right's view of the world and run wildly with it. You are an embarrassment to your own party. Admit that your "guys" are playing games because of WHO the president is, and not WHAT he's trying to do for America.

Even well known Repubs recognize that Obama has compromised over and over, even though he knows many on the right don't care about the American people. They cared only about kicking him out of the White House, which is well documented by one of your idols, Mitch.

You know damn well that Obama can't get a significant amount of stuff done for society only because the far right REFUSES to work with him. It's a choice that affects everyone. The people that you support are mainly to blame.



Liberals are not perfect, but its easy to see that they can put personal vendettas aside to pass legislation for the people that voted them into power.

...Sorry to interrupt your Fox News viewing. Get back to it. .

 

The public absolutely can see through republican intransigence and mendacity.

 

Nice spin.

This has nothing to do with the shut down. Obama is just trying to make it difficult for everyone so that they think the government shut down is chaotic and impeding most Americans lives.

I work for the government, and I don't cry every time a government employee loses his job, or budget cuts require an agency to cut back. That's the nature of working for the tax payers. When the government has expanded at such a volume that they are the largest employers, we have become too dependent on them.

Many of these are PRIVATELY owned. They have very little to do with the government and certainly nothing to do with the shut down.

“We’ve been told to make life as difficult for people as we can. It’s disgusting.” - Park Ranger

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/3/pruden-the-cheap-tricks-of-the-game/#ixzz2gmR09Wzu

 

Please, after years of your schtick you're calling for civility?

get over yourself

 

WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE PARKS?!

the children? meh

PARKS!

 

Take your own advice as well.

And I've seen your signature. If you're referring to the MLK part, I've already told you that it's extremely insulting based on your posts relating to African Americans.

 

It is absolutely the Republicans fault. They were the ones who issued the threat to shutdown the govt. They were the ones who refused to offer up a bill which would continue funding the govt. at the sequester levels which would have kept the parks and monuments open.

It isn't the Democrats fault as much as the Republicans, that is false, and there are no set of facts that back that up.

Republicans volunteering to pay to open the monument in hopes of gaining some good publicity is not how govt. works. They don't get to choose to fund parks and monuments but not fund cancer research, or other employees who are out of work because of the shut down, or veterans who need claims processed, or need their GI bills to pay for school.

That's not how the govt. funding works. It works by passing a budget, and then the parks and monuments would be kept open. Offering just to fund one part of the government isn't how a budget work.

 

This isn't a budget cutback. That was always in play. They offered to pass a bill that was so cut back in terms of budget that it was at levels of the sequester. The Republicans refused. They opted to shut down the govt. including the parks and monuments. Then they pretended to get mad and act like it wasn't their fault, to try and turn some good publicity.

You fell for it. You've been had.

 

They didn't opt to shut down the parks and monuments, these have nothing to do with the budget deal. Many of them are privately owned and have not been closed in any of the 17 previous shut downs.

Personally, I don't care about the parks, it's a small price to pay for getting out government spending under control, but when Obama's Budget Office is explicitly closing venues that have nothing to do with the partial government shut down, I find it ridiculous that people try to spin it to make Republicans look bad.

Please refresh my memory.

 

What do you mean there are no facts to back that up? Reid won't even go to conference with the House! It's his way or the highway. Certainly Republicans are being stubborn, but it is ridiculous to say Democrats have a clean hand in this.

So than why won't Obama negotiate on Obamacare to allow these things to reopen? Because it's his way or the highway, regardless of how poorly the implementation of this bureaucratic nightmare is.

They offered to pay for them because Obama was shutting closing them for no reason, it has NOTHING to do with the government shut down. The orders came directly from the White House according to the National Parks Services spokesman.

 

5 second google for you. http://thehill.com/homenews/house/325573-house-dems-counteroffer-well-accept-sequester-cuts

 

We've already seen your anonymous park ranger quoted by Wesley, a writer previously fired for making up fake quotes. Thanks.

How does the US government shut down a PRIVATELY owned establishment?

You guys shut down the government, you've ignored shutting down NIH, NASA, and hundreds of thousands of jobs and now you want to talk about the veterans visiting the parks. If ONLY the vets could visit their parks shutting down the government would be fine.

How silly and stupid is this? You want to talk about the parks? THE PARKS?

We talkin bout PARKS! PARKS! Not gubmint shuttin down. PARKS! We talkin bout PARKS!

Thank you Allen Iverson.

 

It cannot be blamed entirely on Republicans. If one looks at the bills passed by the House of Representatives during the shutdown, then one will see the Republicans attempting to fund the aspects of government not related to the ACA. Reid has shot these bills down every time. As a matter of fact, "a group of House Democrats publicly endorsed repealing the health care law's tax on medical devices -- a long-held Republican priority -- as a way out of the budget battle. The idea was quickly rejected by Democratic leader" (The Wall Street Journal). The rhetoric raised by BOTH the leaders of the Democratic and Republican parties to avoid compromise is why the shutdown continues. To blame only the Republicans (MSNBC and most mainstream) or only the Democrats (Fox News), is nescient

 

Why the unnecessary remark? Are politics this personal to you that you have to attempt to insult people who ask for information?

Sigh. Not sure why people can't just discuss the issues without attacking one another, or making sly remarks like "Ya, that's what I thought." It's amusing, but so childish.

 

It can be, it should be, and it will continue to be.

 

Obama has no choice. He simply cannot concede the government being held hostage as legitimate venue for negotiation.

There is nothing to compromise. Either the Republicans can control their party, Boehner loses his job, or we go over the cliff. Obamacare is happening, and it is happening January 1st, 2014.

In all honesty, the Democrats should just leave the premises and say call us when you are ready for the clean vote. There is nothing to discuss otherwise.

 

Funny thing, leading up to the deadline, the TP-led GOP were saying that a government shutdown was a good thing. So they stubbornly kept attaching ways to kill ACA onto their budget proposals. And for some unknown reason they thought Obama and Reid would some how surrender the one significant legislation passed the past term and a half.

Now that it appears that strategy has and is continuing to blow up in their faces, they are trying to point the finger of blame at the white house and democrats. They complain that the President and Senate Democrats won't "conference". That it is the democrats who are the evil ones, keeping parks closed. All under a time crunch as more and more of the more moderate republicans indicate they would vote for a clean CR.

Must really suck to be so out of touch, so irrelevant. The question is... did this not only lose any shot at the Senate, but will they lose the house too?

 

Ya, that's what I thought.