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Obama made the error that led to congressional gridlock and the partial govt shutdown

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by bigtexxx, Oct 3, 2013.

  1. edwardc

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  2. solid

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    The President reformed the ACA 19 times without Congressional approval. He has granted waivers to himself, Congress, Big Business, and many others. The ACA is a legislative bill, he can't do that. How is that fair? If it is so great why do his friends and supporters want to be exempted.

    The attempt by the White House to keep the WWII vets out of their "open air" and readily accessible monument is a hateful act. I am not a Republican, but they had already offered to fund all the National Parks but were refused. The government response to the vets really upset me. Just wrong.
     
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    if this were true it would be national news. where did you get this from?
     
  4. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    Honestly, hundreds of thousands aren't being paid from NASA to NIH and so on but it's the parks that you're upset about? Geeez.
     
  5. FranchiseBlade

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    There are several things wrong with what's stated in this post.

    The President is not trying to keep WWII Vets out of anything. The monument is shutdown because the Congress shut the Federal govt. down. That includes national monuments such was the one honoring WWII.

    The Republican offer to fund it, is ridiculous, because if they wanted to fund it all they had to do was pass the budget at the sequester levels. It is wrong that the monuments or any other part of govt. is shutdown. That isn't because of the president but because of the votes of the congressmen. The way a budget works isn't that only bits and pieces are funded such as the parts that vacationing vets can vist, but not fund parts that vets need for health care claims, GI bill, cancer research etc.

    If the Republican congressmen want the monument open, they shouldn't have voted to close it down.

    Voting to shut something down then being upset because it isn't open is like Rachel Maddow said last night. It's like driving a car into the middle of someone's living room than being upset with them because their house is a mess.

    They shut the monuments down, now being upset with someone else because they are shut down makes zero sense.
     
  6. BigBenito

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    yeah, i'd much rather veterans be able to go to monuments than the really non essential parts that are being curtailed.

    talk about focusing on the nonsensical.
     
  7. BigBenito

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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/04/white-house-government-shutdown_n_4043961.html
     
  8. mc mark

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    Please stop watching Fox news
     
  9. trueroxfan

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    The monuments were not closed in previous shut downs.

    http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/02/monuments-and-memorials-remained-open-during-previous-shutdown/

    The decisions to close these down and other PRIVATELY funded monuments and historical sites came DIRECTLY from the White House Budget Office who reports DIRECTLY to Obama. There was no need to close these monuments, it's optics. It's all to make people believe this "government shut down" is doing disastrous things. The RNC even offered to pay for the monuments to remain open and be staffed.

    It's just as much Reid's fault as it is Boehner's.

    They are even forcing a private restaurant in Philly that was often visited by the founding fathers to shut down because the building is owned by the National Parks Service. It hasn't ever been forced to close before in the other 17 shutdowns in the last 30 years. Why now? The restaurant is privately owned, there is NO reason why they should not be able to continue to run their restaurant and pay their bills.

    Many other monuments and historical sites are privately owned but the National Parks Service is forcing them to close.

    We are paying for 8 cops to keep them OUT of the monument, but we can't instead pay for those 8 cops to keep an eye out for the WWII monument?

    Sure blame it on Republicans. Repeating it over and over doesn't make any less false.
     
  10. bigtexxx

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    slimy, Chicago style politics.

    I'm certainly not surprised. What's surprising is how little Obama thinks of the American public to where he thinks he can slip this by undetected.
     
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    I like getting info from all sides and sources, but man your schtick has run it's transparent course.
     
  12. Harrisment

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    Kinda like you think you can slip by us that you completely ignore the posts that refute the premise of this thread.
     
  13. CometsWin

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    But the parks!!!! Save the parks!!! We wanted to shutdown government but not the parks!!!

    You guys are hilarious.
     
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    Considering the shut down has nothing to do with the parks and never has, ya we want to save the parks. No reason to punish people who risked their lives for this country. And yes, it is Democrats punishing them, NOT Republicans. Not only did Republicans offer to pay for them privately, but they should not have been shut down in the first place. The order came directly from the White House.
     
  15. BigBenito

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    It must be polling like no other.

    But don't worry, this isn't a game.
     
  16. bigtexxx

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    Exactly. Obama's moves are so pitifully transparent. He honestly thinks the public cannot see through his cheap tactics.
     
  17. solid

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    Why do you "know" I am watching Fox News? Were you watching? Actually, that info was from some articles on the net. I thought the Obama revisions to ACA were common knowledge.
     
  18. BigBenito

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    because you're worried about parks when there are actual things that matter being underfunded.

    and your 19 changes - how can he do that? is your typical chain letter shallow creed espoused by most fox watchers..

    read my link above.
     
  19. CometsWin

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    So let's punish those that work for government, just not those that used to work for it. Spare me the crap. You guys wanted to shut government to stop Obamacare. Now you want to fund just parts of government so you don't get the blame for shutting it down. Play your politics but own it.
     

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