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Obama made the error that led to congressional gridlock and the partial govt shutdown

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by bigtexxx, Oct 3, 2013.

  1. bigtexxx

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    The blame for not only the partial government shutdown but also the atmosphere of "us vs. them" and congressional gridlock can be traced back to Obama's actions in 2009. He ramrodded the health care plan down America's throats, without working with the Republicans. He knew that he had the power to do this, with both the senate and the house under democratic control, but what he underestimated was the value of consensus building. He had no Republican support for his plan, which alienated the right. Now he is facing gridlock every move he tries to make. He does not have republican support for his plan.

    He was desperate to get his presidency off to a good start, so he decided to take the easy way out (which is a recurring theme with him) and not work with congress. Well, you reap what you sow, chump. Now the American people are paying for your amateurish approach to policy.
     
  2. BigBenito

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    So, you're saying Obama controls republicans' thoughts and dominates their feelings? Gotcha.
     
  3. mc mark

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    ACA was a republican idea.

    Your hatred has blinded you and sapped any rational thought you might have had.
     
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    Nope.

    Obama was too lazy to roll up his sleeves and work with the right to craft a bill and build a base of supporters from the right. His approach involved cutting the right out of the discussion, and ramrodding this through based only on the democrats' support.

    And people try to blame the republicans for creating gridlock? hmmm...
     
  5. Space Ghost

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    And this is what happens if you play dictator. The opposition will fight you in spite at every turn. Obama accomplishes what he wants by division and separation. He knows he has the slight majority, so he fingers the rest. He is as partisan as the republicans. He made the republicans his adversaries, now he needs to deal with it.
     
  6. BigBenito

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    Confirmed: Obama was too mean.
     
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    So you are saying ACA was not created with ideas from conservatives?
     
  8. Space Ghost

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    It doesn't matter who's idea it was. As Bigtexxx stated, Obama took it on himself to force it though. I certainly do not approve of the Republicans and the only real thing that ticked me off about Obama is him forcing the ACA on the American people.
     
  9. bigtexxx

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    This is a red herring.

    If what you're saying is true, then Obama should have tried to work with those republicans who espoused his same ideas. He didn't, instead choosing to ramroad this through using only the democrats.
     
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    He ran on the platform of health care reform and was elected, twice. One would assume it's what the majority of American people wanted.
     
  11. mc mark

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    Nope

    I guess you don't recall how frustrated and angry progressives got at Obama at the time because they felt he was negotiating away too much to the GOP and not listening to his own party?
     
  12. BigBenito

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    They just know it is Obama's fault.
     
  13. mc mark

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    Sort of like they knew Romney was going to win in a landslide.
     
  14. BigBenito

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    And he would have won too, if it wasn't for that witch Nate Silver!
     
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    This is what happens when your source is FOX.

    Basically what the GOP is saying is.... if you don't do what we ask, we will point this gun on your loved ones and pull the trigger. After pulling the trigger, they come out and say.. "see what you made me do?" and put the blame on the other person.

    The sad part is... they are able to convince people to buy into this line of thinking without thinking.

    If we are going to change the political climate in washington, both liberals and conservatives needs to be critical of their political party and hold them accountable and not just agree with everything their party says or stands for.
     
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    So predictable.
     
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    History and the facts disagree with this.

    The model is Republican, Obama sat with Republicans to discuss the bill, the amendments are heavily and largely Republican, etc. It includes numerous Republican ideas.

    Even in the latest budget battle, Obama has put entitlements on the table, and agreed to continue the budget at the levels of the sequester.

    This alternate reality just doesn't jibe with the facts.
     
  18. Amiga

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    1- No excuses. You shutdown the government, take ownership and be accountable.

    2- Politics. Politicians. If you can't handle your feeling, GTFO of there.

    3- The above isn't even true. Obama bent over backward (his real mistake) to get a consensus. The Republican simply wasn't ever interested. Once he realized the mistake and lost the super majority in the Senate, than the Dem used what they have to push through their prize agenda. This is hardly outside the realm of Congress. If you want to talk about Congress abuse of power, just look at the Republicans in the past 5 years and more.
     
  19. BE4RD

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    Dear Republicans:

    You lost. It's supposed to taste like a s*** taco.

    -Everybody
     
  20. Space Ghost

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    I would like to remind you on a couple key points on how our government is ran.

    We elect a president, not a dictator. 51% of America didn't elect Obama to let him do whatever he wants.

    We are a representative democracy. "Assuming" what Americans wants is irrelevant when its the people we elect to represent us. Naturally, that doesn't matter to you as you are a partisan supporter, regardless of the subjects and decisions. It matters when the people we elect choose to fight and give each other the finger. Both sides are just as guilty.
     

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