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Missing U: Patrick Patterson

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Carl Herrera, Feb 23, 2013.

  1. jbasket

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    I think what he means is a "proven" PF. Jones is legit though :cool:
     
  2. jtr

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    True, but the Rockets shot 36% from beyond the arc and PP did not hit 50% of his mid ranged shots. And Morey had trade options. And he has yet to offer a contract to a decent mid ranged shooter in the last year+. You have no supporting statistics and Morey dumped Morris and PP. Is that not evidence enough that Morey is going all in with very basic statistical analysis? PP is gone forever and a replacement is not in sight.

    The mid ranged two point shot is going to be dead in the NBA soon. Five years and everyone but the center will be able to hit the three. Or be a tenacious defender like Iggy.
     
  3. jtr

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    Coach has his own CF rating. It was supported by the community as a whole. And Jones played about 260 minutes in the NBA last season. How can you characterize him as a "proven" PF is totally beyond me.
     
  4. WinkFan

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    Patterson belongs in an NBA rotation, which is more than you can say for any PF on the Rockets roster.
    I hope that's true, just like you do. I just don't present my hope as fact.
     
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    Then you tell me what he is. What position did he play in the majority of those 260 or so minutes?
     
  6. larsv8

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    He is an unproven PF.
     
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    He proved to me that he will be starting at PF sometime in the near future.
     
  8. jbasket

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    Once again, the chase for a superstar comes before the role players, as in the case with Ppat. PP was damn close to 50% of his midrange, and hit above 36% from the corner threes (once again, only his first true year shooting the NBA 3). Your only proof has now gravitated towards "Morey dumped him", but Morey would dump most anybody on our team to get Dwight.

    Really? How many superstars in the league utilize the mid-range game? How many centers can actually shoot the three? The league has not seen another Rasheed Wallace, but you expect the center to hit the three in five years as part of the norm? Once again, you fail to realize how the mid-range game can open up other shots and options.

    Oh I in no way meant to say Jones was proven. He is not. Me saying he was legit meant that I like his skills/potential. He is not proven at all.
     
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    What that chart should tell you is that NBA.com did not distinguish between above/below average for 3 pointers vs. 2 pointers. Clearly, 42.4% is above average for 3's, as is 39.4%. With that in mind and the image below, its clear that Patterson is a r****ded good shooter from just about anywhere on the floor. Not only does he know it, he knows where he is bad and takes few of those shots. For those keeping tabs at home, he takes one bad shot for just about every 8 games played.

    Here is a better chart which also highlights how smart Patterson is with his shot selection and that he is very clearly an excellent 3 point shooter from 3 of the 5 zones on the floor outside of the arc.

    I don't even know how to respond to all that nonsense about shooting contested shots. The whole point of an offense to create open shots. If you don't have one, you keep rotating the ball. Your argument that he can somehow be neutralized if he keeps making shots because they will close out more is weak. Defenders will have to decide whether or not to play help defense on the ball handler or close out. Closing out on shooters will open up the lane for Harden to drive. You want the defense to have to make that choice. Considering the alternative are Dmo or Jones (28% and 26%), Patterson is clearly a enormous upgrade to anything we have now..

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    And now on to your terrible argument about defense.

    Assuming there are ~480 players any given season, Synergy Sports shows Patterson as 25th overall on isolation plays, which would make him what top 6%?

    As the PnR man, he ranks 68th which is top 15%

    He is average on post ups and spot ups. If by some small chance, his post up defense becomes a problem, we have Asik and Howard on the team to take up assignments as needed.

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    About the only legitimate criticism of Patterson is his rebounding, which is overplayed anyway. Half the time he is on the perimeter which limits position to nab available rebounds. Other times we played small and he was at center, out manned by the taller opposing center. Considering he still nabs about 7 per 36, we were a top rebounding team with him as PF, and we just added a top 2 rebounder in NBA, it is highly unlikely to be a problem.

    Patterson is just about the best stop gap PF we could realistically get cheaply while we wait for Love/LMA to become available. Since we have nothing at the position, Patterson is an expiring contract, and he fits what we are doing like a glove, there is no reasonable case for not wanting him on this team.
     
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    You are entitled to your opinion, but Morey, McHale and most Rockets fans don't seem to agree. If he's ever becomes a full-time starter, my guess if T Jones will do it on a team other than the Rockets.
     
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    Lol ... and you can disagree. Jones has at least the chance to fight for a spot on the rockets
     
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    If the Rockets don't trade him, how big a role is to be determined. The question is can he keep his head screwed on and focus over the course of the long season and be worth a dime in the playoffs. My guess is no.
     
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    Sam Perkins preceded Sheed; Troy Murphy had some good years and in his prime would have been perfect for this year's Rockets' rendition.
     
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    If he can't win a starting job with the Rockets, it's hard to believe he could do it anywhere else.
     
  15. Joe Joe

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    Are you Morey or McHale? All I've heard from them is that the job is between Jones and DMo with occasionally and Smith and Asik names included. I think most fans are undecided. Morey and McHale have a better idea of who is starting after a few days of camp, but they have not let their opinion be known.
     
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    Undecided is exactly my point.

    If we took a poll that asked, "Has Terrence Jones proven he will be starting at PF sometime in the near future", I'm certain the majority of the forum would say no because most are undecided. I haven't spoken with Morey or McHale but I bet they feel the same way.
     
  17. WinkFan

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    Corner 3 average league wide is 38.9%, so 39.4 is average.
     
  18. coachbadlee

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    I think most would vote yes.
     
  19. jbasket

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    Perkins was before Sheed: my point is that there is not a Sheed in the league right now. Even so, it would be nearly impossible that the normal center in 5 years is shooting threes. These are just 3 centers out of hundreds of centers during this time span.

    Take into consideration that it was his first true season shooting the NBA three. 42.4% and 39.4% is still above average, and he also shot better as the season progressed, like Jeremy Lin as well. As many fans expect Lin to shoot well like he finished, it is not unreasonable to expect the same from Patterson.
     
  20. Joe Joe

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    Thanks for clarifying.
     

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