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Happy Obamacare Day

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Carl Herrera, Oct 1, 2013.

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  1. glynch

    glynch Member

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    This Los Angeles Times article titled, "Demand is strong as Obamacare enrollment starts in California" confirmed my sentiments:

    In California, officials nonetheless took heart at the stronger-than-expected response: about 5 million online hits and more than 17,000 calls.

    "It was a huge outpouring of interest, which is good news," said Peter Lee, executive director of Covered California, the new state marketplace. "Today was just the starting point."

    Here's the thing: If you're going to have glitches and delays because you surpassed all expectations and are forced to deal with overwhelming enrollment, then that's a great problem to have.

    But many took the delays in stride. As expected, those with chronic illnesses and huge medical bills showed up first... "The website was crazy busy. It's like Obamacare just released a new iPhone," said Peter Nowack, a 60-year-old marketing consultant in Oakland...

    http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/201...d-ca-like-obamacare-just-released-new-iphone/
     
  2. mc mark

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    Same in NY

    ACA online Marketplaces overwhelmed by traffic, many crash


    California officials said the state's exchange had received about 5 million visits on its website by 3 p.m. Tuesday, while New York state, which also created its own Affordable Care Act online marketplace -- nystateofhealth.ny.gov -- received 10 million visits from 8 a.m.- 5 p.m. Tuesday, far more than anticipated, and far more than the 2.2 million uninsured New Yorkers.
     
  3. tallanvor

    tallanvor Member

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    Why would you use web hits for a participation metric? Why not enrollment?


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Obamacare-state-health-exchange-websites.html

    I have no idea how many people will eventually sign up for it, but this article paints a very gloomy picture that it will get the millions Obama expected.
     
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  4. bigtexxx

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    hell even I went to visit the site

    and of course, like most everybody else, didn't sign up for jack schit
     
  5. geeimsobored

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    I dont know how it is for everyone else but I happen to live in the city with what I believe has the cheapest premiums in the US.

    A platinum plan where I live for a 20 something year old tops out at 200 dollars. And a bronze plan costs around 90-95 dollars. Both of those prices are without subsidies.

    Then again, I live in a state that actually tried to implement the ACA. I feel for those of you stuck in states that did everything they could to limit the effectiveness of the law.
     
  6. Major

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    Because no one really should be enrolling today. The coverage doesn't start until January 1st - right now is more a time to learn about your options and the different plans. There's no benefit to enrolling today vs a month or two from now. Some people will do it, but it's kind of silly to do so - and would be horribly dumb to measure success or failure by it. Enrollment by the end of the first signup period would be a more reasonable measure.
     
  7. Phillyrocket

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    Here in the great state of New Mexico the media is touting the average plan for a family to be $280. A local radio host had Rep. Steve Pierce on the phone and stated that he had called around and listeners said they didn't know how poor New Mexicans would be able to come up with that extra $280 a month. Pierce agreed and after calling Obama a socialist went on to say how New Mexicans could not afford it and would continue to work for a repeal.

    I was waiting for the explanation of how these uninsured folks are currently affording broken bones, appendicitis, gall stones, etc. But strange that never came up.:rolleyes:

    So is it just understood to be okay that we are currently forcing hospitals to give away procedures for free? That's not socialist or communist or whatever but wanting people to actually be responsible and have insurance to cover their procedures is?
     
  8. tallanvor

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    didn't say measure of success or failure. I said measure of participation.

    I agree with this and most of what you wrote.
     
  9. rudan

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    You do understand why those fines exist, right?
     
  11. Mr. Clutch

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    Do you really think anyone will actually be fined?
     
  12. bucket

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    I dunno, but I understand the reasons for requiring people to have health insurance. Market failures and all.
     
  13. thumbs

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    Glitches, fines, exceptions ... Obamacare is like stepping up to your ankles in a steaming pile of smelly poop just as your best friend's funeral begins.
     
  14. glynch

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    Keep hoping, tallanover. You just don't understand. Have you ever talked to somebody who has health problems and no insurance? .

    You just don't get it.
     
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    thumbs' ACA demise predictions are about as valid as his 2012 presidential election predictions.
     
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    Yes. Why wouldn't they be fined?
     
  17. glynch

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    I think his health problems are making him cranky. I recommend twenty minutes of sunlight per day and putting down the wingnut pipe. Maybe a bit of mainsteam news coverage and a light comedy or two.
     
  18. tallanvor

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    You didn't answer my question at all. Why are you measuring participation with web hits as opposed to enrollment? And spare me the 'your ignorant' argument

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  19. rocketsjudoka

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    I am willing to agree that webhits aren't a definitive measure of success but that said 1% of 5 mil is 50,000 people signing up on the first day in just one state isn't a small number.

    Keep in mind how the exchanges work wasn't exactly known until when they started. It should be expected that there will be a learning curve.

    Finally as far as the glitches what major program launch hasn't had glitches?
     
  20. tallanvor

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    not 50,000. If you had read what I quoted from the article:

    Plenty, but that's not the point. Haven't seen anyone argue that Obamacare is a failure because the website crashed its first day.
     

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