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Missing U: Patrick Patterson

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Carl Herrera, Feb 23, 2013.

  1. HR Dept

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    I was talking about his deal right after his rookie contract. I see how I didn't make that clear. That's my fault.

    Edit: Looks like it was actually 3/$9mil
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Landry
     
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  2. Joe Joe

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    When adjusted for mpg, PPat is shooting just under 3 3s for 36 mpg. Not bad. Not great. It does make him a three point threat as well as a mid range shooter.
     
  3. Bobbythegreat

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    Is anyone still missing Patterson? We could have 2 legitimate PF's now, I'm glad he's gone.
     
  4. WinkFan

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    "could have" :rolleyes:. We "could have" 2 legitimate bench warmers, too.
     
  5. jbasket

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    Stats do not do defence justice. Defensive RAPM is not the final say, and cannot quantify his exceptional PnR defence, rotational defence, and lateral quickness.

    How many players in the league can hit the contested three at a high percentage? More specifically, how many PF's can hit the contested three at a high percentage? Is it ever really good to shoot a contested NBA three (and how do you define "contested")? In the meantime, why don't you bring up PPat's high TS%: your own shot chart proves to any viewer how PPat could effectively and efficiently stretch the court as a 4. 40% from corner three is not CP25 efficient, but that is still a good, efficient percentage. Ppat is also a good FT shooter, so the shooting stroke is not a fluke.
     
  6. Bobbythegreat

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    I'd rather maybe have 2 legit PF's than Patterson, if you have a good team he's a bench warmer.
     
  7. daywalker02

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    DHoward got Ryan Anderson who was a better shooter.
     
  8. jtr

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    I do disagree. Defensive xRAPM is the best stat available unless you have access to SportVU. It breaks down badly when there is not a statistically significant data set, but PP logged a lot of minutes last season.

    The shot chart shows that PP is a mid range jump shooter. Don't believe your lying eyes. Believe the stats.

    So PP cannot create his own shot, has per 36 stats worse than D-Mo in his rookie season, and costs about as much as Jones and D-Mo combined. I have no clue as to what you like about him.
     
  9. jbasket

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    "Best stat available" means jack squat if it is still a crappy stat. Also, true isolation defence does not happen often: team defence, which cannot be quantified, is huge, which is what Ppat excels at, and DMo and TJones both sucked at last year. RAPM doesn't account for team mates sucking in this regard or said player having to overcompensate.

    We are both looking at the same highly efficient shot-chart right? If we had anybody that could shoot that midrange at 50+% and 3pt at 40+% like Ppat, Mchale and Morey would jump at him. Perfect complement to Dwight: nothing screams mid-range only, especially considering it was his first time shooting the three consistently. Do you remember how pissed Mchale was when Ppat was traded? Obviously, Morey was looking at the big prize (Dwight) though.

    DMo's per36 stats are misleading: they don't represent him playing his way to the end of the bench. Stats lie too. Also, nobody is saying that Ppat can create his own shot, aka have star potential. But to deny Ppat's perfect fit as a stretch four with the Rockets is foolish.
     
  10. WinkFan

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    Well, yeah. I'd like to have 2 legit PF's, also. Unfortunately, right now the Rockets have zero.
     
  11. Panda23

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    Patterson would be a better fit with the current team, and Dwight could aid with some of his rebounding issues, but ima ride this one out with tjones and Dmo.
     
  12. A_3PO

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    On offense, Ryan Anderson parking on the 3-point line would be deadly for this team. Anderson or not, I'm confident Morey will get something done at PF before the trade deadline.
     
  13. Bobbythegreat

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    And if they had Patterson they'd still have zero legit PF's.
     
  14. daywalker02

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    I miss him too but it is what it is.

    Patterson hasn't even surpassed Carl Landry who turned out to be a marginal NBA starter which is still a success for a second rounder.
    They are on the same team now. I hear all the good things about defensive rotations and good positioning but the defense was still shaky when Asik was on the bench and with Patterson being in there.

    IMO his impact on Defense was less than people make it out to be.
    He was a smart guy who does things average and shooting was one of his forte. I am not sure what he can become after having lost his hunger after his rookie season.
     
  15. jtr

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    Have you ever heard of eFG? I cannot take you seriously. You have no understanding of the game. 50% from two point range is inferior to 33% from behind the three point line.

    Jesus find some other forum to troll.
     
  16. jtr

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    The bottom line as always is did Morey retain him or replace him with an equivalent player? And the answer is of course no. Morey dumped his sorry ass. Want to argue with that?
     
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    Will this F R E A K I N G thread just DIE already please!!!!!!!!

    HE'S GONE AND AINT COMING BACK FOLKS! :mad:
     
  18. jtr

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    True, but no.
     
  19. jbasket

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    50% from 2 pt actually is similar to 33% from 3 pt. Shooting 10/30 from threes is the same value as 15/30 from inside the arc. If you are trying to be technical, 50% from 2 pt is better than 33%. Have to be 33.33% from threes: just being technical. I guess I can't take you seriously if you can't do that simple math!

    If you think that RAPM can quantify defence, I would suggest you shore up your knowledge of the game as well. In addition, you are the first person who has told me 40% from three is bad. Although the corner is closer, 40% is still ridiculously efficient, and Ppat has room to improve because it was his first true season of shooting the corner three. You also fail to realize that opening up a mid-range game can make other shot-selection areas more efficient.

    I would dump him 10/10 times for Dwight. Your point? You would be foolish to not dump him for Dwight.
     
  20. coachbadlee

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    Jones is a legit PF.
     

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