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Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by fchowd0311, Sep 29, 2013.

  1. CometsWin

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    TOs and settling for FGs
     
  3. Grinds

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    Did this happen against SEA?
     
  4. macalu

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    there are a lot of things the texans deserve criticism for. play sequence is not one of them. it may be lack of execution or not going for the home run that's fueling your frustration. there's only 2 plays they can run, it's either a run or a pass. not many combinations there. i can't even remember the last time they started the game run, run, pass.
     
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    Weren't we averaging 27 PPG in '11 before the Lisfranc injury? Didn't score a lot last year (until the end season failures)? Was the margin that significant the past couple years?
     
  6. josephnicks

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    look at all the sorry ass teams we beat in 2011 browns, jags, colts, bucs, titans, dolphins. when we played good d's we wrent putting up 27ppg.. we scored 41 on the titans, 37 on the bucs, 30 on the browns, 34 on the colts.. fools gold, i think our defense was hyped up too that season.. we played nobody in 2011 except baltimore and new orleans and lost both those games..
     
  7. Major

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    2011 was the one exception - 10th in scoring and 13th in yardage:

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/htx/

    2012 was pretty good - 8th in scoring, 7th in yards.

    2008, 2009, 2010 were all bad (9/10/17 in scoring; 3/4/3 in yards). 2013 so far is terrible - 19th in scoring, 4th in yards.
     
  8. JayGoogle

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    I think Schaub has regressed since the injury. (Didn't he have screws inserted into his foot?) and just like the Rockets, the Texans are holding on to him too long.

    He can't move...and if Kubiak want's to roll his QB out of the pocket then shouldn't that be a necessity? The reason it worked so well in Denver EVEN if the HB was not playing his best is because the defense STILL has to respect the roll out. They still have to sink in towards the QB because he could pick up the first down himself. The two QBs in old Denver were able to do that on occasion. The idea of Schaub scrambling out of the pocket for a first down seems nearly impossible at this point.
     
  9. jbasket

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    Or we stopped putting up points because we lost Schaub, thus lost 10 PPG as consequence.

    2010 with 9th in scoring and 3rd in yards is not terrible. With 2010, 2011, and 2012 pretty good in terms of discrepancy, I tend to think that the beginning of 2013 will become an outlier. Also, it is important to notice that when Foster arrived, our scoring increased. I don't think the Offence is doomed quite yet.

    2010 discrepancy can be attributed to terrible special teams and defence, leading to horrible field position. If there was a stat for amount of yards needed per point scored, I am sure that the Texans would be at the top.

    I don't think Schaub did much scrambling before, when the play-action was tops in the league. Therefore, I don't think you can utilize his lack of mobility as an argument to why the play-action failed. Rather, it is the fact that our line/blocking is not getting the job done + the inability of Kubs to call a deep ball to Andre or Hopkins. As we saw against the Titans (who have a good D actually), the receivers can just go and make a play.
     
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    So what? Our red zone has been crap for years
     
  11. josephnicks

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    no, the texans averaged 27ppg with schaub and the teams were garbage, i didnt even include any teams tj started against..
     
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    He can't move. No he was never highly mobile but he wasn't a guy that wore shoes made of cement either. His rushing yards are pathetic for a QB in this offense. barely even 10...last year was -10...Compare this to the other QBs that HAVE run this offense like Elway. This offense heavily favors QBs that can scramble, and while Schaub was NEVER known for that, since his surgery he's seen a sharp decline and now he's pretty stationary back there. This offense is not for him.

    Also unless you have coaches footage you can't say that Kubiak hasn't been calling deep passes. Even if he hasn't, the WCO favors shorter routes any ways. The problem is not the offense which has been vastly successful in the NFL. The problem is the QB who runs it.

    If Kubes fails to realize that he needs a mobile QB to run this offense then he's going to deserve what he gets at the end of the year.
     
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    That's like the same argument people use against Hakeem "Oh Jordan didn't play." it's always a lame argument.

    Just give the man his credit for the success he has had.
     
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    hakeems teams beat 4 50-win teams, won a couple series clinching games on the road as a 6th seed. matt schaub lit up the browns, jags, dolphins, ttians, colts, bucs and you folks crowned him..
     
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    Our O-line has diminished and it has affected Foster and Schaub. Fosters needs holes to cutback into and without it he is borderline useless. Schaub was always a backup QB but now he is really getting exposed. I remember when the O-line would move in unison to one side but now too many of them are getting beat.
     
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    Yep, those colts and Titans teams sure did suck back then...

    :rolleyes:

    His best year the Colts were 14-2, Titans were 8-8.

    Nah brah, this is the same argument people use against Hakeem. That he didn't play against Jordan and thus his competition wasn't 'Good enough' it's a dumb argument.
     
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    kubiak has a menu-load of plays but he keeps going back to the same old plays.. :mad:
     
  18. JayGoogle

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    Also if you remember the Titans the year before that were wone of the best teams in the NFL and Haynesworth was what J.J Watt is now.

    The AFCS was the best division in football during that time and Schaub had some wild shootouts against Peyton Manning. So this 'lack of competition' is some BS.

    He certainly isn't as good now as he was then...and this year we were supposed to easily win this division against 'lesser' competition.
     
  19. jbasket

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    Has it been, really?

    Yea, NO is garbage (was a loss, but our offence looked like a juggernaut that game), and Pittsburgh was too. It was obvious when Yates was at the helm, the offence lost some of it's power, so the Texans had to punch out low scoring wins against playoff teams Atlanta and Cincinnati.

    Even though the WCO favors short passes, when you have studs at WR1 and WR2, let them make a play. They have before, and they are not anymore.
    I agree with you: mobility on the boot legs would be helpful. But blaming the PA drop off on his lack of mobility when he wasn't ever a RGIII scrambler in the first place is not setting the blame where it should be.
     
  20. josephnicks

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    were talking about 2011. the colts were a 2 win team.. they beat us too but with tj.. schaub probably wins that game, so congrats?
     

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