Official 2013 Budget/Debt Limit/Obamacare Crisis Thread

You got it there at the end. It's an optimistic opinion for your side.

 

Maybe for those who lack the ability to think critically and assess causality on the basis of readily available facts.

 

I don't view it as my side. On my pet issues, both parties are usually equally guilty. I don't see any way Obama should be blame free in this.

 

someone must have hacked CBS News, how did this headline get past the editors?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>BREAKING: House votes to avert government shutdown and delay Obamacare a year.</p>&mdash; CBS News (@CBSNews) <a href="https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/384171030715310080" data-datetime="2013-09-28T23:21:25+00:00">September 28, 2013</a></blockquote>
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Maybe because his party passed a bill that would allow the government to continue operating, no strings attached?

Wow, that's embarrassing for them.

 

is this true? wth

 

you nag like a a little b****
say something or STFU troll

 

Wow look at how defensive you are. Sorry I struck a nerve -- the truth tends to do that.

The problem with Obamacare is clear. And it represents a huge problem for America. Even the nonpartisan CBO agrees. From Barron's this weekend:

"Obamacare is part of the problem, but so are Medicaid, Medicare, and Social Security. The cost of these programs will mushroom as tens of millions of baby boomers reach retirement age. The report was published on September 17 by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office. ... It projects the federal debt will grow to 190 pct of the nation's annual economic output by 2038. That would make us worse than Greece today, which has a 27 pct unemployment rate and periodic bloody riots over its dreadful economic conditions. ..."

 

I love how you are trying to scaremonger with economic projections out to 2038. Why not, say, 2025, when SpaceX will launch the new revolution of consumer space flight, and discover low marginal cost space oil?

In any case, I wonder what your alternative is: turning the elderly into Soylent Green? Or wasting billions of dollars treating those uninsured by emergency room? Or "letting them die".

 

you're off topic.

 

It looks like I've touched a nerve.

You think it's off-topic to discuss alternatives to Obamacare, in a thread where you purport Obamacare will cause America to turn into "Greece"---in 2038?

 

Runaway entitlement spending is squarely on topic.

You're simply trying to troll this morning. Not working, friend.

 

And if runaway entitlement spending is squarely on topic, forcing you to think about solutions to said "runaway" entitlement spending is---trolling?

haha.

well, stop complaining about it, if you can't figure out a proper alternative that would cost less. The demographic trend is people getting older: that's the "problem" at hand. Do you have a better system for coping with that?

 

It was a calculated strategy to at least it got you to commit to substance for once.


So it's better to limit health care? Deny coverage for pre-existing conditions, allow the uninsured by choice to burden the public care of last resort, give insurance companies the ability to limit claims to increase profit, limit preventative health care for most policy holders?

Baby Boomers are going to get Medicare anyway so that argument does not hold water. And yet Medicare is prevented by law from saving $50 billion a year by using it's efficiency of scale to negotiate drug prices. You should really jump on that money saving bandwagon.
http://www.cepr.net/documents/efficient_medicare_2006_01.pdf

There is really no savings in not enacting the ACA, essentially same number of people are still going to need the same health care.Denying insurance coverage does not make more people well, in fact , access to preventative care actually saves money by catching diseases earlier and limiting critical care.

 

Pointless, futile, meaningless, insane

So tell us genius, why would the GOP pass an amendment to the bill to allow military pay to continue even if a government shutdown should occur?

 

BREAKING: House votes to avert the government shutdown, that they engineered themselves.

 

Obama delayed the employer mandate (by fiat), why not just use some common sense and delay the rest of it? Then we would avoid the shutdown.

 

Employer mandate delay to 2015 have min impact to the overall picture of what Obamacare is projected to do according to CBO. So of course Obama and the Dem will not delay the total package, something they been trying to get done forever (when they probably know well that the Republican simply want a delay tactic to give them more time and changes to repel Obamacare in 2014 and again in 2016).

http://www.cbo.gov/publication/44465

 

Whta's common sense would be to not threaten the shutdown of the govt. That would also avoid a shutdown.

 

Because if you don't want America to become "Greece" in 2038, there needs to be a better solution to healthcare problems then dumping uninsured people into emergency rooms, at exorbitant cost, and high death rates.