Official 2013 Budget/Debt Limit/Obamacare Crisis Thread

But why is it unreasonable to save that debate for another day? Certain provisions are stripped all the time from votes, most recently with food stamps on the farm bill. Best solution is to save the fight over Obamacare for another day, not hold it hostage with the debt and funding as leverage.

No matter how this goes down, the House will receive blame from the citizens.

 

What will stop Obama from spending another trillion dollars before now and then?

 

Meanwhile, in this whole episode, Obama is nowhere to be found. All he says is "I won't negotiate". Well, then this is what you get, chump. Roll up your sleeves and be part of the solution.

 

Obama is already illegally delaying the employer mandate and employment verification aspects. This would just codify that and extend it to the rest of the law.

A one year delay is a compromise between full funding and total defunding.

Obama: "GOP are terrorists, I'll be on the fairway"

 

The Republican-controlled House is probably the most hated institution in America.

Congress as a whole is polling at 9% approval. yikes.

things more popular than Congress according to PPP:

I think at this point, Congress can literally give a f**k about what people think about them as an implication of anything, because everybody hates Congress already.

 

By voting on gov. spending, which is what we are trying to do here. How much, dollar amount, is Obama asking for in ACA?...Not being asinine, just curious.

If ObamaCare is going to ruin the country/doomed to fail/ect. then it is a great thing that the House and GOP are doing. If it is doomed to fail and we cant pass a CR, then it seems we are damned either way. The problem with all of this, no matter where you fall on ACA, is that the house has tried everything to get rid of it. The angle they have taken is not fair to the american people because screwing thousands of people over to prevent thousands of people from being screwed over does not make sense.

 

wouldn't it be nice if we could have a President who could lead?

 

Yea because if Romney was president this would have been on his desk already with ACA gone

 

Do you know even know how the US government works?

 

lead me Big'un, tell me how you want healthcare to work.

(oh that's right, you never do)

 

Maybe the Dems should propose doubling the funding. Then keeping the funding the same would be the compromise between defunding and doubling the funding.

 

The silliest part of all this on the GOP's part is that, if I understand correctly, Obamacare funding will continue even in the event of a government shutdown. So the one thing they most want to stop won't even stop at all.

 

Good point, I hope Obama leads by declaring a national emergency and suspending the House & Senate. He can then use executive privilege to save America from the GOP coup, a coup funded by billionaires and promoted by corporate media.

 

I think you are fooling yourself if you don't think Obama deserves a percentage of the blame for this clusterphuk. There is so much blame that everyone has a full plate they need to eat.

 

Republicans are leveraging a law passed by Congress and upheld by the Supreme Court by closing the government. It's preposterous. You're setting a precedent whereby any time something gets passed that you don't like, you threaten to close down the government. It's ****ing stupid and dangerous. Republicans have lost their god damn minds and any sense of what it is to govern. They're going to pay for this, you can count on it..

 

No, that wasn't something the House leadership managed to communicate convincingly, and in fact wasn't even their policy. They wanted to pass the CR and focus on the debt ceiling.

But fine, let's keep it objective, and simple. The Senate passed a clean, no-strings-attached CR. The House refused. That's what it comes down to.

 

I doubt it considering how far away the elections are. But even if they do, meaning even if public opinion on this issue is against them in such a way it changes elections, it doesn't exonerate the White House.

 

This reads like wishful thinking.

 

Which part? The public has short memories, a year is a long time to remember something like this that will have a definitive end. I am not sure, but it seems likely.

This part: "it doesn't exonerate the White House." is my personal opinion.

 

The Obama years will be remembered as a lurch from crisis to crisis. It's the mark of a truly weak leader.