Official 2013 Budget/Debt Limit/Obamacare Crisis Thread

The phrase you are looking for is "couldn't care less." Saying "could care less" makes you sounds like an idiot.

 

How does that phrase go... oh yes, "walks like a duck...."

 

Man! Can't you just see how Christ works through cml750?

Anyway, looks like Senor Cruz' little stunt worked.

Poll: Ted Cruz Is Now The Top Choice For GOP Primary Voters In 2016

CRUZ2016'

 

Less than 72 hours until shutdown and it appears Boehner has no clue how to proceed. we're screwed

 

I'm guessing some of that is a temporary advantage in name recognition. 2016 is a long way away. I'm curious what effect all his grandstanding has had on his negatives.

 

Nobody cares that he won't get elected along has he as the media attention to move all the dialog to the right.
(4th time)

 

Wanting the research towards a cure for cancer that his wife does to continue is among the worst examples of a selfish liberal?

You are making zero sense. The selfish one seems to be the person who wants the govt. to shut down which would shut down that cancer research.

I'm sad that people see actions like yours as what Christianity stand for, since I'm a Christian myself.

 

I'm not so sure this is the case. If the alternative is crazy, the other party is free to drift away from the center. The Dem Party has mostly moved right in response to the GOP doing well in the 2000s appealing to the middle. If the GOP no longer appeals to the middle, the Dems can win the middle even while drifting leftward. Not saying they will, but it opens the doors for progressives if Cruz actually wins the nomination.

 

Why would the democratic party leadership push a progressive agenda when they can move in to occupy the center/right and control national elections (assuming ideology is not the real focus of career politicians but re-election is). What I am really saying is the money that wants a center/right based policy (banks/brokers/healthcare/coal) can push the agenda by financing right radicals and buying influence in the center of the democratic party. It's a win/win. Nobody is out there financing and pushing a progressive agenda to counter that.

The perceived center is now lost civil liberties, massive military spending, pro XL and fracking, anti-union, international interventionism, anti-gun control, anti-progressive taxing etc etc. You add those up and it's a pretty right leaning agenda.

 

Maybe the U.S. govt. should take a page from California.

This was pretty cool to see. Some of it like CA being completely tea party free is an exaggeration, but the point is that the tea party isn't a large enough presence here to mess with good governing like it is in DC.

The video is here.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/maher-ca...out-nonsense-that-keeps-fox-news-up-at-night/

Short version CA turned a 27 billion dollar budget deficit into a surplus by not electing tea party people but Jerry Brown who actually loves govt. CA cut spending and raised taxes. They did both, and it solved the deficit problem.

They were able to do it because there weren't tea party members blocking up governing.

 

But the idea is that if the other party is just absurd, then you can have your cake and eat it too - you can control national elections AND be progressive. When that's the situation, there is going to be more pressure from the base to move that direction. It's why parties in power almost always overreach until they piss off the middle and then lose power.

But all of this happened over the last decade, when the GOP was doing well. The party out of power normally moves to the center to steal votes from the party in power, which tends to become more ideological as they build a majority. This tea party dynamic of the party out of power going even crazier is new.

 

The 1% do not donate to advance progressivism. (actually some do)

 

Then why post that?

 

Something tells me that even Jesus would hate cml750.

 

If cml750 prayed, I think Jesus would enter his heart VERY reluctantly.

 

Culberson embarrassing Houston once again:

http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/09/28/prepare-for-shutdown/

 

Strategic move by the Republicans. This will pin it on the democratic Senate if they choose to reject this bill, thereby shutting down the government.

 

No it won't, because everyone has known with certainty all along that the Senate would reject the bill if it came back with any changes. This isn't strategy; it's a failure by the House leadership to keep their caucus together. Plan A was to make noise on the CR, ultimately pass it (or at least a stopgap to push it back a bit), then make the real fight over the debt ceiling, which plenty of Americans are ignorant enough to view as something to be "negotiated" over.

On the debt ceiling, Republicans have some hope that Democrats will be (wrongly) perceived as sharing the blame. That's not going to work nearly as well with a shutdown. At the end of the day, the Senate passed a clean CR and the House rejected it.

 

Take off the bias blinders, please. You knew the House wasn't going to accept stripping out the Obamacare defunding provision.

 

They are playing the classic game:

Pin the tail on the donkeys.