Boxing Workout: Patrick Beverley, Greg Smith, Isaiah Canaan & Robert Covington

I understand they likely just wanted to get away from the same routine and just let loose, that's the general feeling one gets from the video...however, Canaan mentioned possibly doing this more often now. Being young guys, they are more likely to experiment with their workouts, since they dont have established routines in the pros. You'd think they'd have enough support around them as pros not to fall into the wrong training habits, but we all know what happened with tmac.

 

don't mean to derail the thread (any further), but why are they garbage? and what's your opinion on elliptical machines and treadmills vs. ellipticals

 

Jeez, do you guys even lift?

 

running on a treadmill (and running in general) is bad for the knees due to the constant collisions. Swimming is better in that regard too.

 

Jesus some people will complain about anything.

They clearly aren't doing it that often.

 

When you are working on cardiovascular training, it IS about keeping your heart rate up.

You do both resistance training and cardiorespiratory training. You can split it so you have recovery time.

For example.. you might do wind sprints in the morning, and weight training at night so that you can recover from your morning workout.

You can do different kinds of cardiorespiratory training... in the pool, on a track, on a bike, or even in a boxing gym.

Just because these guys are in the boxing gym doesn't mean they are neglecting playing basketball. You work out and condition your body in many different ways during a 52 week macrocycle as an athlete, depending on the phase of the cycle you are in.

 

As the saying goes, "If you can't beat 'em, beat the hell outta 'em"

 

We all know what happened with Calvin Murphy.

 

Well, they do get your heart rate up, but don't think they approximate anything like normal running. . . .

If you turn on a treadmill and just watch it go for a half hour while you are sitting on your butt beside it, the treadmill will "go" for three or four "miles." On the other hand, if you go out to the track and watch it for a half hour while sitting on your butt beside it, the track will not go anywhere. With a treadmill, you're basically just lifting your legs and letting the "ground" pass underneath you, which is why it doesn't work your hamstrings. With real running, your hamstrings contract to make you move across the ground, which is not passing underneath you. Put another way, on a treadmill, the ground passes under you; in running, you pass over the ground.

One thing you can do to make treadmills more effective is to use incline. Always use incline on a treadmill.

 

Just because you didn't understand my explanation, it doesn't make it pseudo-science. I provided facts, insight gained from a college education in that field, as well as relavant information directly from the Lakers about Howard. You provided your opinion, which is based on having a brother who plays college baseball.

I wasnt saying you cant supplement your workouts with other modes of training. Clearly, a sprinter would benefit from strength training also to become a more explosive sprinter. Just sprinting wouldn't be enough.


My point was, your focus must be on actual movements made in games. that should be the bulk of your training. A sprinter can't just do Micheal Phelp's workout, regardless of how great it is, and be ready to run the 100m finals. BMD was implying it wouldn't matter, since swimming still gets a sprinter's heart rate up, therefore conditioning him or her. I'm sure he knows better than that, but that's certainly what he implied. He has a habit of over generalizing training concepts.

BMD actually unknowingly proved my point when he mentioned some athletes cant even throw a proper punch or throw a ball well. He's surprised a good athlete cant just instinctively execute those motions. Well, it's because they're not baseball players or boxers. They didnt train for it. That's why the strongest guys don't necessarily always throw the farthest or why the boxer with bigger arms doesn't punch harder. It takes training and integration of full body movements to perfect those motions and get the most out of it.

It's called the specificity of training principle.


I agree with you about treadmills though. They over work your quads, which of course oppose the hamstrings, which you already said they don't hit enough.

 

LOL please, boxing workouts are great cardio and extremely useful for the core which is a huge part of everything you do in any sport.

This is a great thing to see, changing up your workout routines has huge benefits. No doubt they are putting in the hard work on the hard wood also.

 

lol .. Westbrook watch out , Beverly is working out to bust you up again.

 

1. That isn't true. It depends on what phase of training you are in.

I mean, you are always playing basketball year-round. But as far as sport-specific training drills, you increase those as the season approaches and reduce your strength training. And it's just the opposite the further out from the season you are. More strength and power training, less sport-specific training.

I didn't imply that. You inferred it on your own. And if anybody is over-generalizing training concepts here, it's you.

You misunderstood my point. I'm surprised because I can't imagine boys who have not grown up throwing a ball. Just tossing the football around, or playing ball in the street.

 

I thought it was going to show them learning how to box out.

 

Athletes, especially fighters, incorporate other sports into their training all the time, and the results speak for themselves. Ali was ahead of his time when he incorporated the sledge hammer, basketball players, as well as other athletes, frequently incorporate swimming for the strength and cardio gains without the impact damage on, for example, your knees when you run. George St. Pierre, arguably the first to third best pound for pound fighter stated that it was gymnastics then track that he found most beneficial to his athletic and in-cage abilities.

Learning and training in other sports gives you the advantage over another athlete in that you can jump, run, and, in general, move in ways that the other athlete without the training cannot.

 

when you run normally, you're pulling the ground from undernearth so to speak, a treadmill moves it for you, its especially bad if you've got imbalances where your quads are stronger than hamstrings.

 

PBev plans to use these skills on the court this season.

 

You posted stuff that you didn't understand, and interpreted it incorrectly.

Please tell me, what specifically are you referring to when you say "insight gained from a college education in that field"? What field specifically, and to what extent was your education?

 

i'm not going to keep going back and forth over it. I knew what i was talking about because i was explaining it to you. You weren't familiar with the concepts. They are well documented online. Even the Rockets' Darryl Eto, the strength coach/director touched on the subject (in regards to Lin) and you still refused to believe it could be applie to a player's performance.

FWIW, I have a bachelor's in kinesiology-exercise science and graduated with honors. Plus a few more years of formal education through different workshops involving strength training, physical therapy, and myofascial release/trigger point therapy. I also like to keep reading up on my own and research, but i guess that falls under informal education.

 

At least they are not wasting time preaching.