Apparently Texans fans got dissed on NFL Live after they talked about a highway sign reading "Cut Schaub". They said something along the lines of "Did you guys forget Schaub led to you to 2 straight come back wins to start out the season? Give me a break." Amen to that, are fanbase has been pathetic since the playoff era if the fanbase is going to completely pick apart and single out 1 player how about make it a player that is actually bad, like David Carr?
your post is full of fail. i read your post and first i was like , then i was like, , and finally, :grin: #1, are you asking a question of making a statement??? #2, if you think David Carr was NOT singled out you dead wrong. He was relentlessly mocked for his play, hair, gloves, etc... #3, why do we want to single out a player today who is no longer in our organization??? One other thing, How many fans does it take to make a paper cup sign? Probably 1 maybe 2, but Texans fans got dissed on NFL Live.
You missed the point of my post, which I apologize for as its worded pretty badly. Obviously NFL Live wasn't talking solely about this one incident. Look at any social media site regarding the Texans. Look on the Texans in game facebook posts and the majority of the posts will be "Schaub sucks!!!" Search Matt Schaub on twitter during a game, same thing. Look at any online message board. Eli Manning has been worse then Schaub over the past few years. So has Jay Cutler, Rivers, Flacco, yet they hardly get criticized at all by there own fan bases. If they do, it is no where near the level Schaub gets it. It would make sense if we had a QB like Gabbert, but Schaub is pretty good. He consistently puts up good stats and is a good comeback QB as well. He has played the role of a gun-slinger and game-manager in our offense effectively. As a result, the Schaub hate has always made very little sense to me. There weren't many complaints back in the 2008-2010 years about Schaub.
Good post, and a good take on Schaub to balance things out around here. Speaking for myself, I think people chafe about Schaub's inability to scramble, and his lack of ability to keep a play alive, or to make a play out of a tough situation. Secondly, I think people are starting to sense that he has plateaued and there really is very little potential left to hope for. He absolutely gets roasted for every little mis-fortune for the Texans, all over every aspect of media and social media. He is a victim of a conservative, uncreative offense and a team that hasn't shown great poise across the board for the last several months. Not sure I expect good things going forward; but I don't think Schaub should be at the top of the priority list of fixes.
Do you really follow those fanbases like you do Houston's? Cutler has been criticized a ton on the national level, and was brutally criticized when he went out with injury a few years ago in both local and ational media. Rivers has been a laughingstock these last few years. Flacco has been mediocre in the regular season, but their defense is so good that it didn't matter - and he's been outstanding his whole playoff career. But even with that, the team let him play out his contract last year because they weren't sold on him. Manning has won 2 Superbowls and played brilliantly in those playoff runs, so he gets a pass.
Bottom line is that the Texans offense is boring and predictable. Run, run, play action pass, run, run, run, punt or fg, rinse and repeat. Our defense has gotten worse, too. We have JJ Watt, Brian Cushing and a handful of ragtags and crusty b****es who don't do ****. We don't go for the football or try to create turnovers, our secondary is garbage, we don't play physical enough, we don't intimidate anyone, we still give up large chunks of yardage to the passing game against any QB that is worth his salt. What's even more troubling though are all of the penalties. Penalties use to be something we avoided fairly well, but this year it appears we're one of the most penalized teams in the NFL. Poor preparation on the part of our coaches. The list goes on and on. Poor preparation and lack of discipline falls squarely on the coaching staff. Lack of talent on defense and overally poor special teams falls on the shoulders of management. We didn't go after anyone in free agency, unless you count 60 year old vet Ed Reed who looks lost on the field, simply playing for a paycheck at this point in his career. Blame who you want, I don't care. I'm tired of the conservative nature of our team, both on the field and off. If the Texans want to impress me they need to be aggressive at going for the best free agents, and trying to improve the team. I want to see more red blooded play from them on the field too.
Every year counts, but it's still valid even if you're making an exception to Kubiak that no other coach gets (which is the main theme of what you're doing)...I'll draw out the comparisons below. And my point is that Kubiak had bad years, underwhelming years, deserved to be fired if he was judged by the same harsh standards as SB winning teams. Gary Kubiak -Yr 1: 6-10; Yr 2: 8-8; Yr 3: 8-8; Yr 4: 9-7; Yr 5: 6-10; Yr 6: 10-6 division title; Yr 7: 12-4 division title Jim Fassel - Yr 1: 10-5-1 division title; Yr 2: 8-8; Yr 3: 7-9; Yr 4: 12-4 division title and made the SB; Yr 5: 7-9; Yr 6: 10-6 playoffs; Yr 7: 4-12 fired Mike Sherman - Yr 1: 9-7; Yr 2: 12-4 playoffs; Yr 3: 12-4 division title; Yr 4: 10-6 division title; Yr 5: 10-6 division title; Yr 6: 4-12 w/3 pro bowlers on IR at the beginning of yr - fired Pete Carrol - Yr 1: 10-6 division title; Yr 2: 9-7 playoffs; Yr 3: 8-8 fired Tony Dungy - Yr 1: 6-10; Yr 2: 10-6 playoffs; Yr 3: 8-8; Yr 4: 11-5 division title; Yr 5: 10-6 playoffs; Yr 6: 9-7 playoffs Gary Kubiak's coaching resume does not blow these guys out the water. He is more in line with them than their successors who were SB winning coaches, or any other SB winning coach in the last 25 years. Again, ALL SB winning coaches have won w/in their first 5 years of coaching with that team except for Bill Cowher, who went to a SB, 6 straight playoffs to start, and 5 division titles in his first 6 years. All SB winning coaches' resume's blow Kubiak's out of the water w/in the first 5 years (and of course, by definition overall bc they are SB winning coaches). Why would anyone have fired John Harbaugh? Yr 1: 11-5 playoffs; Yr 2: 9-7 playoffs; Yr 3: 12-4 playoffs; Yr 4: 12-4 division title; Yr 5: 10-6 division title and SB title I don't want the Texans to be like most teams. I don't want the Texans to be the Chargers of the last decade, or the Eagles, or the Bengals...I want the Texans to be Champions. You're making a subjective claim, then you're falsely applying a model w/ 1 loose criteria that is coaching tenure. 1) You bring up the Steelers, I bring up the 13 other SB winning organizations w/in the last 25 years...they are not the definitive best in the last 25 years. 2) False application - the Steelers don't keep their coaches for the hell of it. They keep them because they're vastly successful EARLY. The Cowher evidence is above...completely destroying Kubiak's resume. Tomlin in his first 6 years made the playoffs 4 times, won 3 divisions, and won the SB in his 2nd year. 3) Your criterion of keeping coaches according to the Pittsburgh model is based on 1 thing (low change) w/0 taking into account the circumstances like I have. My model goes back 25 years to ALL SB winning teams AND their prior coaches. The Texans have violated the model on multiple fronts. SB winning coaches win the SB early (except for Cowher who just won everything else early), and SB winning organizations fire coaches on the regular: after 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 6, 6, 6, 7 years of coaching tenure. Kubiak did not deserve a 6th year according to that model. Not saying he didn't deserve a 6th year in McNair's eyes, which is all that matters....I'm just saying not according to SB organization standards. I agree with you about what will happen. I'm just stating what I think should happen in order for them to win the SB. I'm not saying I'm right...just an opinion based on reasoning based on modeling coaching retention according to SB winning organizational standards. And so while we continue to disagree. I think I've made progress in this thread to at first buying into the idea that SB winning franchises have this long-term stability that is like the Steelers, to now, after evaluating all the data knowing that it's not true. SB winning franchises keep coaches who win early, and fire them w/in 2 to 7 years when they don't succeed. Coaching Stability is a dependent variable among SB winning organizations...Coaches winning big, winning early, and winning often are the independent variables.
So a good test of the model this year is to see who wins the Super Bowl. If history holds true, it will either be a coach in his first 5 years with the team, or a coach who already won a super bowl with that team. This eliminates many good teams and promotes some dark horses. According to the model, teams that will not win the SB this year: Atlanta, Cincinnati, Houston.
Agreed, I also think you could include the Cowboys on this list even though Garrett hasn't been there for 5 years.
Those coaches do get it. If you're counting the first year then I really can't say anything else. If you expected him to have a good year with THAT team then there is not much else to say about that. Your expectations were just unrealistic. He had one bad year. The 4th year where he went 6-10 was a bad year. So wait, Sherman gets a excuse about players on IR but Kubiak doesn't? We're just expecting him to take the worst franchise in the NFL and call a 6-10 year as a failure? It's like he doesn't even get a learning curve, coaches aren't just coming into their first job no less and winning right away. Some are though. Again, 8-8 his 2nd year...was good for 4th place in the division and then 3rd...are we just ignoring how wild and unusual that is? Can't be a champion if you're not even making the playoffs in the first place. Which is something Kubiak has been doing. Why would anyone fire Kubiak when he's had one single bad season? Nope, it's not subjective. The Steelers have the most superbowls so they ARE the best organization. Not talking about the last 25 years, I mean ever. With the most superbowl wins AND tied for most playoff wins (with the Cowboys) The Steelers are the best organization in football...I don't see how that is subjective...and teams do not fire coaches that take their team to the playoffs. According to your standards, Cower would have been fired before winning the superbowl. In fact he had TWO bad seasons in a row! By your very standards he did not win the superbowl within 5 years and then had bad years. Oh and according to your standards Noll before him would have definitely been fired. Tomlin is the guy taking over a team that already won a superbowl with most of it's superstars still playing for that team. I mean according to this model, there goes 5 of the Steelers championships right there. Are you considering the circumstances with Houston? Counting coaches who inherited great teams, hell some of them inherited teams that won superbowls MULTIPLE times? Well they better have early success. Guys like Tomlin, Seifert, Switzer...took over superbowl teams, the latter ones took over dynasties. How are you going to compare that to a guy whose taking over a team that considered winning 8 games the end goal? That's like saying the guy who coaches the bobcats should be graded equally to the guy who coaches the Heat. Of course the guy who coaches the Heat is going to have more success. Kubiak took over the Bobcats of the NFL. No these teams don't hold that standard. Again, they do not fire coaches who are taking their teams to the playoffs. McNair is certainly not counting Kubiak's first year and no one should. Yet, these teams do not fire coaches that make it to the playoffs. How can we continue to ignore this? Yes, they fire them after they have bad years. Not because they haven't won the superbowl, because they are thinking about the draft in december instead of if they can get homefield or not. Who are the teams firing coaches making the playoffs?
Also I don't understand why we aren't counting coaches career in a whole? Is coaching not a skill? Why couldn't Belichick did what he did in NE for Cleveland? He absolutely could have and I see no reason to suggest otherwise. It's not like Brady was a top pick he had to luck into, and even when Brady went out his team chugs along. There is no reason to think otherwise because he did not inherit a good team. So is the idea to get rid of Kubiak before he becomes Knoll or Belichick elsewhere? Again, as long as he's making the playoffs you can't get rid of him. I mean you can at your own risk, but it's true that coaches usually do better at their second job...(which is why so many of them win within 5 years because they are on their second job a lot of times...)
If Kubiak doesn't make the playoffs this year and the Texans don't fire him, they are a joke. This is his 8th season as coach of the Texans. If you haven't figured out by now he's not Knoll or Belichick, you are hopeless. I'd be thrilled if he moved on to his "2nd job".
If playoffs are your criteria of success, then the Texans have been successful 2/7 Kubiak years. So let's give him a pass for years 1 and 2 because he inherited such a crappy team. Which puts his playoff percentage at 2/5 or 40%. If the Texans make the playoffs this year, that would be 3/6 for 50%, or 2/6 for 33% if they miss the playoffs. Given 32 teams and 12 playoff slots, on 37.5% basically is average. So if the Texans miss the playoffs, he'd be below average in reaching playoffs for his career even if we give him a pass for years 1 and 2. So no, Kubiak gets absolutely NO pass from me for his playoff appearances. If he does make the playoffs, then he should not be fired. That I agree with. Mainly because if the Texans were to make the playoffs, it would mean they'll be playing a lot better from now on. If the play at the same level, I have no doubt they'll miss the playoffs this year.
I wanted him fired after the 6-10 season. I changed my mind when I saw how well he handled the team when our 3rd string QB turned into our starter the next year. How many coaches can win a playoff game with a rookie 3rd string QB who barely even made the team? I was a big Kubiak fan until last year's late season collapse. Still, I'm willing to see if he can get over the hump this year. If we can't at least get to the AFC Championship game this year, I think it will be time for a change. With the talent we have on both sides of the ball, there is no reason why we shouldn't end up with the 2 seed and a first round bye this year. NE looks vulnerable and Denver has to cool off at some point, right?
Brooks Reed needs to be fired. Not sure why he doesnt get as much blame as he deserves. He's pretty worthless on the field...and he plays a position that is crucial for bringing the heat. Our lack of pass rush is hurting us...Watt can only do so much on his own.
Wasn't it revealed, not sure where but I know I read on here, that Kubiak has the offensive plays already scripted? I don't understand how that makes any sense... And also, why does Schaub not audible at all? Does he not have the authority to or what? Like someone said earlier, we're too predictable at times, it's frustrating.
Actually, he doesn't play the pass rushing position as much as Mercilus does. In Wade's defense, the LOLB is supposed to get all the sacks (see Ware in dallas). Mercilus plays this position. He was a first round pick that was supposed to replace Mario Williams. Right now, he's on pace to have 5 sacks this year. Unacceptable.
Too early to tell with Mercy, but he was actually beating their LT a ton. Just give him time, he has potential. Reed has been great against the run, and has done well covering the backs out of the backfield.
As a QB coach for 49ers, they ran Walsh's West Coast. As an OC in Denver, they ran Shanahan's version of the West Coast including more Run/ZBS elements. As a HC in Houston, it's Shanahan's same scheme. It's not up for debate, Kubiak is NOT a coaching genius or a prodigy. He is a run of the mill average coach with no special qualities. He could win a SB like other average coaches but he's going to need a hell of a team. Personally if he doesn't go DEEP in the playoffs this year, 2+ wins, he should be let go. If you let him go you've got 2 choices, 1) proven veteran coach with a winning track record or 2) an up and comer. On one side you have Cowher/Gruden/Holmgren type or BrianKelly/DavidShaw/Sumlin type.
