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Might Be Time To Fire 2 People

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by DJboutit, Sep 22, 2013.

  1. HTown_DieHard

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    I understood during our meltdown late last year that we could not change things up on the fly, and we were stuck with what we had offensively (scheme wise).

    With that in mind, I hoped that Kubiak would install some new wrinkles to our offense.. Namely a faster, higher tempo rhythm. I know Schaub has his limitations, but if we could get the play in sooner, and everybody up to the line of scrimmage with more urgency, I think that would at least help us get past some offensive woes.

    I feel like our offense is easy to scheme against, and perhaps a faster pace would alleviate some of that.
     
  2. Chef_Monteur

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    They kept Reid because his winning percentage was over .600 prior to his last two seasons there. He also won 7 division titles in arguably the most competitive division in the NFL.

    He had two bad seasons and boom...he got fired. That's Philly for you.

    Kubes wishes he could win 60% of his games every year. Until Wade showed up he was hovering around the .500 mark. That would never cut it in Philly, this guy would be laughed off the field.
     
  3. JayGoogle

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    Well good for them.

    Still, teams don't often replace coaches going to the playoffs, no matter how much the fans whine and moan that their team lost a game and are now 2-1.
     
  4. meh

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    If Kubiak has even one SB win during his tenure, then I bet this and all other similar threads would not exist. But despite unprecedented success the past two years, the Texans still haven't even made the Conference Finals. And only 2 playoff appearances.

    Also, franchises make changes all the time without without firing their coach. I bet you anything that a team with some of the worst special teams year after year would at least fire their ST coach.
     
  5. JayGoogle

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    You'd be surprised. Visit Spurs talk after a loss or a Patriots forum. You get pretty much the same stuff. I hate to generalize but it's true. Look I was as hard as anyone on McHale for example, but it's hard to argue with the results that he has had two pretty good seasons.

    I'm saying the same thing here, despite the gripes people have about Kubiak, it's hard to argue with the results.

    They'd have more playoff appearances as well if they didn't play in a hellish division when he inherited the team and going 8-8 was good for 4th place in the division and then 3rd place the following year.

    Also it's not like they made no sweeping changes his entire tenure here, he changed the entire defensive scheme which was a pretty big change and at the time put to question your best defensive players like Ryans and Mario. So it's not like he hasn't changed, as for changing the offense, it has pretty much worked. His teams have run the ball extremely well and do nearly every year and his offense is also usually one of the better offenses in the NFL.

    Also I personally don't see the big deal in a conference finals appearance. You're either in the superbowl or not. Rex Ryan sure isn't getting any cushion for his two AFCCG appearances. I mean you're either a bad team, a playoff team, or a superbowl team...and you have to be a playoff team before you're a superbowl team.
     
  6. PDJACK7

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    Have you watched the first 2 games? Take away the fourth quarter in those games and we have played like a sub .500 team.
     
  7. meh

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    Why not? I hate to sound like a broken record, but look at the teams that drafted right after the Texans picked Mario Williams. 7 years is an eternity in the NFL. Unless you are just a horribly mismanaged team, you are going to have success within 7 years.
     
  8. JayGoogle

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    I wouldn't argue with success, if it works it works. I know you can say "They haven't won a superbowl." but only one team does. If the FO is judging the team by that measure and that measure only they will never win it. Because they will overreact and panic every year they don't.

    It's not like Kubiak has lucked into success, his second year he had already turned a laughing stock franchise into a playoff contender. Again if they weren't in a division that 8-8 would get you 4th place he'd like would have made the playoffs his first two years. There were many 'experts' saying at the time that it was just too bad the Texans played in the AFCS at the time because it was pretty crazy then how good the Jags and Titans were at the time and then you had Manning.

    So it's not like Kubiak has made it to the playoffs just because he's had 7 years or something :/ I mean wow, can we give the guy a little credit?
     
  9. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Aim low people.

    DD
     
  10. Nook

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    Yup and 50/50 Kubiak comes back if the Texans go .500%. The Texans should have addressed their coaching and QB issues 3 years ago. Instead they slap a bandaid on the problem (Wade Phillips) and then puff their chest out, choke down the stretch last season and then are completely out coached in all facets of the game in New England.......

    The Texans have the phyiscal talent to win a Super Bowl, but have a 1995 era coaching staff and a QB that tries hard, but is not dynamic at all.
     
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  11. Nook

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    Basically..... and it is a result of mediocre coaching.

    I don't really have an issue with Rick Smith at this point.

    Gary Kubiak has not changed his philosophy or play calling in literally 20 years. He lacks the creativity or forward thinking to keep up with the best coaches in the league. As a result the Texans feast on teams with lesser talent or the rare team that has equally mediocre coaching.

    Schaub is a place holder quarterback. He is at best Matt Hasselback and cannot handle pressure well at all. The Texans should have been grooming his replacement 3 years ago when his flaws were made painfully obvious.

    The offensive line is manhandled when it matters. When we have to run and everyone knows it, we lose the line of scrimmage battle 80% of the time.

    They have at least tried to address this problem, unlike their OL where they stuck their head in the sand and said "what problem"?

    His "decline" is a result of an OL that isn't that good, an insane workload last year and an odd personality that seems to fluctuate between extreme competiveness and indifference.

    Hey, but he can still invite Clay Walker, George Bush and every other conservative wealthy Southern male to his big beautiful stadium and he still gets to look at his head coach and tell his grandkids he is a good Christian man to look at as a role model.


    Meanwhile...... Reliant will sell out every single game..... the Texans will still rule Houston.... Kubiak will still be a good, decent man that should be coaching at Texas Tech or some other mid level college program and Bob McNair will continue making huge sums of money.
     
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    Marty schottenheimer comes to mind and those teams regret who they replaced him.

    Ignorant idiots want coughlin gone , mind you they went 20 years without a superbowl win.

    Fans are homer, rational, bandwagon, delusional, partypoopers, and naysayers fans are all over the world. It's more annoying now because we see their opinions all over forums and blogs.
     
  13. DaDakota

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    Sometimes a coach has run his course with a team/org, Coughlin looking like that, same with Andy Reid, Kubiak has never been as good as either of them.

    DD
     
  14. htownrox1

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    The sad thing is no matter how much we argue and scream for Kubiak to be gone or change his scheme up a bit, nothing will ever change. Kubes will still be ultra conservative and Schaub will still be his pawn and things will stay the same. If we make the playoffs it will no doubt be an early exit and we're back to where we started.

    Wash. Rinse. Repeat.
     
  15. smr6

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    I agree. I have been saying this for the past couple seasons now.
     
  16. DieHard Rocket

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    It's probably been hit on already but it's worth stating again how big of a blow it is to our already non-explosive offense to not have Duane Brown and Andre Johnson in the game.

    I'm not convinced we would have won with both of them at full strength, but I think you would have seen it more like a 7 point loss at worst.

    If anybody's head needs to roll it is Marciano's. His kickoff team cost us the Colts game last year and that punt return absolutely blew the game wide open. Of course Lechler outkicked his coverage, but Joe has to take some responsibility here.
     
  17. solid

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    I think that unfortunately you are correct. It is a shame to miss the opportunities that have been available, but sometimes fans are smarter than owners, just not richer.
     
  18. jbasket

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    That punt had a lot of hangtime; it was just inexcusable coverage.
     
  19. JayGoogle

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    That's not the sad thing, that's the good thing.

    Those guys do this for a living, despite what we may think it's likely they know more about this sport than you can even imagine. It's that whole if you start listening to the fans you'll be sitting with them thing.
     
  20. ipaman

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    Kubes tenure is unprecedented in the NFL. The last guys to hold that kind of tenure with those bad to average results are Chuck Knoll, Don Shula, Tom Landry, etc... Their results were late in their career but they had great early years to stand on.

    Recently only Jeff Fisher (Titans Tenure) comes close to Kubes scenario but his winning percentage was better and he did make 1 SB. That said if SB Victory is the goal then 17 years of Fisher was also a failure.
     

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