Official 2013 Budget/Debt Limit/Obamacare Crisis Thread

Excellent OP, rimrocker. As a Democrat, I should be gleeful watching the extremists in control of the Republican Party drive the GOP over a cliff of their own making, but I'm not. They are busy doing serious harm to this country.

 

Ted Cruz seems to be driving himself off a cliff. After demanding that the House GOP try to defund Obamacare, he wants to filibuster the bill because, otherwise, Dems could remove that provision. In the process, he's managed to piss off both the House GOP and Senate GOP. And he hasn't offered any real solution of how NOT voting on a bill will help defund Obamacare, which seems to be his only goal.

 

Yawn... Didn't we just go through this like six months ago? And again like six months before that? I say go ahead and shut the mf down. Start the furloughs at the Capital Building, then once the building is empty; call down the big alien space ship from Independence Day and have them to shoot that blue laser down into it.

 

Wait he wants to filibuster?

I was going to give him credit for saying he was off the defund path last week.

 

GOP is turning more and more the party for the nuts, hopefully moderate Republicans dump the party next election.

 

This is Obama's America -- we lurch from crisis to crisis.

...and he was thought to be a "uniter" upon coming into office. Exactly the opposite.

 

Do you know who votes on the budget? Let me give you a hint: it isn't Obama.

 

Yep. He wants to filibuster the House Bill that he himself demanded the House pass unless the Senate agrees in advance to make no changes at all to it - in other words, unless the Senate refuses to do their job.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/dc...the-government-or-you-re-voting-for-obamacare

It's a strategy that has no endgame or rational basis, but it's the mess he's gotten himself into.

 

Repubs- is this really the way that you want to govern? Like spoiled babies when they don't get their way. The Dems will be on the other side eventually, and I can't imagine you'll be thrilled if they resort to this option.

 

Republicans are much better at complaining about gridlock than Democrats are. Remember during the Bush administration when Democrats had the Senate? They weren't even obstructing much of anything and Republicans still went berserk and complained non-stop. Even after they lost the Senate, the Democrats filibustered a couple of nominations and the Republicans went on a media frenzy to denounce Democrats.

Republicans are 100000000x better at crying and complaining than Democrats are. It's a large part of why they're just better at communication. They know how to message.

 

You see the same whininess of the right throughout this message board too.

 

I will give you a more specific reason why progressives, moderates, and independents should be worried about the radicalization of the GOP, because it allows Democrats to move to the right (into the arms of wall street) and still look good in comparison.

The end result is that Republicans become corporate goons and Democrats become 1970s era Republicans, which is disastrous for the poor, the working class, and the middle class. Hell, it sucks for everyone except the 1%

This is why Hilary is considered a front runner. Democrats are so terrified of another GOP President that they will vote for the "electable" Hilary Clinton even though she's represents everything wrong with the modern Democrats.

Does anyone seriously believe that the 1% is worried about Hilary getting elected?

Seriously?

 

Its not mature or intelligent but it definitely does work when communicated to the general public.

 

When you have two strong parties that compromise, you are lead cautiously but progressively. What we have now is beyond stupid and it's all on the insane and uncompromising extreme Right. Democrats need to stand their ground but be ready for reasonable compromise and the sane Republican needs to stand up and take back their party and be responsible to their country.

 

This is the GOP's America, manufacturing crisis after crisis just so that they can claim that Obama promised to be a "uniter" (actually, I'm pretty sure that was Bush) and reneged.

It is the GOP which has reneged, reneged on participating in good governance, creating good public policy, or doing anything at all but opposing absolutely everything proposed by Obama.

You helped build that, the sad part is that you seem proud.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0002/29/se.01.html

 

Good Lord, if the Democrats retaliated in kind when they got the opportunity, I'd go berserk. I might have to join the Revolution or something. It's bad enough with one party doing it. If they both do it, the country's screwed.

 

Apparently close to one third of the country do not care if the country is screwed, so in the future, unless you have control of both the house and senate and the white house with at least 60 votes in senate, you should not be able to do anything. Sounds like a perfect plan for making this country the greatest in the world.

 

I think you are being optimistic