How does it not have anything to do with it? I said you're judging a guy who was a NEW head coach taking over a bad team a bit too harshly. If you're not going to count Shanny's first two head coaching seasons or Belichick's or anyone else's then you may as well not count Kubiak's as well.
Geez you're dense. I'm sorry for being offensive. I agree w/ you that Kubiak has done at least somewhat well given the circumstances. But you're arguing against facts. These SB winning coaches won early in their tenures with their SB winning teams. That's it. That's an overwhelming fact. Of the last 18 SB winning coaches, only 1 coach did not win the SB with his SB team in his first 5 years. That was Bill Cowher who made the SB in his 4th yr and had a long winning career of 10 playoff appearances and didn't win the SB until the 14th yr. Does Kubiak deserve to keep his job given the circumstances? Perhaps. But my argument, my opinion, is that based on the facts of SB coaches in history, it is unlikely that Kubiak will win the SB in Houston and if you're #1 goal is to win the SB, a change should be made. Unless some strong evidence occurs this season where Houston looks like it they'll be much closer towards winning the SB, then I think he has to go at the end of the season. I'm just siding w/ what has happened in other SB winning organizations.
Kim's list seems to disagree. Gruden - won SB in 1st yr Billick - won SB in 2nd yr Vermeil - won SB in 3rd yr Shanahan - won SB in 3rd & 4th yr Holmgren - won SB in 5th yr Seifert - won SB in 1st & 6th yr Switzer - won SB in 2nd yr Jimmy Johnson - won SB in 4th & 5th yr Joe Gibbs - won SB in 2nd, 7th, & 11th yr Bill Parcells - won SB in 4th & 8th yr You listed a bunch who took a long time. He listed a bunch that won right away. There simply is no pattern. There are plenty of teams who kept their coaches forever and never won anything too, and may just have benefited from a coaching change but we'll never know.
Belichick won in his 2nd year with the Patriots. I have no idea whether or not he would have won with the Browns. I'm just sticking to the fact that SB winning coaches have won early with their SB winning teams. I agree that Kubiak has moved forward for the most part. Is just moving forward enough for you? Do you think he'll win the SB? What if he stalls (like the last 2 years have been)?
His assertion is simply untrue. I've gone back 25 years. SB winning teams have had their coaches win early with that team...except for Cowher. That's a fact of the last 25 years. If Kubiak wins it with the Texans in the next 7 years, then he'll join Cowher as the exception to the rule. SB winning coaches have won SB's early in their tenure with their SB winning team.
That's not what I'm arguing. I said from the start that teams that display patience win in this league and that has ALWAYS been the case. I said from the start that those very same teams have demonstrated patience. What you are implying is that if a team does not win a superbowl within 5 years then they should go onto a new coach, but 3-4 years is usually the tipping point if you look at even the best of teams. Where is the tipping point? Harbaugh 5th year...should the Ravens have fired him when he went 9-7? Coughlin 4th year...should the Giants have fired him when he went 8-8? McCarthy 5th year...he went 6-10 one of those years, should he have been fired then? Where is the point where a team should fire their coach? Because from what I'm seing Kubiak went 6-10 twice, once when he inherited the worse team in the NFL and twice after going 8-8 twice, then has a bad year as is possible should we have fired him then? When was the time we should have fired him? Again my point is about patience, and you say every situation is different...then what is the situation of a first time coach? When should Kubiak have been fired?
Kubiak can barely keep the team respectable with Andre and Arian. What happens when both those guys start to decline? But the Texans will probably go 10-6, back their way into the playoffs, lose on the road, and that will be good enough for Uncle Bob. No accountability!
There are no teams that kept their coaches forever and won nothing, no team sticks with a losing coach after about 4 years so I don't know what you're talking about there. It must be a team out there that has though...but I surely can't think of it. It's not called the Not For Long league for nothing.
So what does it say to Belichick or Dungy or any great coach that couldn't get it done on his first job? Or simply fulfill the expectations that the FO held for that coach and team? I don't think anything. It's the NFL, if he makes the playoffs that's a huge success that should be congratulated. Way too many variables, way too many things that have to break right for a team to even win a superbowl. If a Bronco's CB doesn't go stupid on that hail mary pass from Flacco to Jacoby, Harbaugh doesn't even have a superbowl and he may be on the hotseat...
Kubiak will never be fired, Schaub will never be benched. Every year fans ask for this and every year nothing ever changes.
If improving or maintaining is the criteria, he shouldn't be fired. If winning the SB is the criteria, then he should have been fired after year 5 imo. He should be fired for being too loyal to Marciano. He should be fired for being forced to bring in Wade against his will instead of proactively recognizing that his D was lacking. He should be fired at the end of this season if they don't make the AFC championship game. I think I'm being somewhat harsh and unfair, but my criteria is winning the freakin Super Bowl, not just improving or maintaining. And if Kubiak is fired, it does not mean instability in Houston. For goodness sake, 8 years of Kubiak means the Texans have been one of the most stable franchises in the NFL. Sometimes transition is needed to win the SB and coaching transition does not mean instability.
Should have been fired after the second 6-10 season. What more did you need to see? But but but we got Wade Phillips and it's all good now! Ha.
Also, the funny thing about Kubiak and those 8-8 years... One of those years the team finished 4th in the division...and the other year they finished 3rd... and this was supposedly around the time he was on the hot seat for some reason... Think about that...they went 8-8 and finished 4th and 3rd in the division...
They should just take away your thread-making privileges, no offense. The fact that you want to start firing people after one loss is baffling. The 49ers are getting blown out at home, good teams lose from time to time. Get over it.
Andy Reid in Philly. They kept their coach for over a decade and never ended up winning a SB despite consistent success.
The problem with having the superbowl as the main goal is that it also takes a bit of luck to just get there. If this was a league like the NBA or MLB then I'd agree...because you have 7 game series...but in the NFL the luckier team can win. Colts never win a superbowl if Bob Sanders wasn't healthy for the playoffs...which was unfortunate for the other teams because Bob Sanders was NEVER healthy, he just so happened to be that year though... The first year they went to the playoffs the Texans were far from healthy if you recall. That team was STACKED too, to think Watt was just breaking out and had Mario, Demeco, Joseph, they had every thing on that team and Foster was in his prime...but had Yates at QB... Takes luck too. Well then if you fire him after a bad season then you're firing a lot of the superbowl head coaches too. So he's had ONE bad season, I'm assuming he at least gets a mulligan for the first 6-10 year since it was his first head coaching year right? right?!
In addition, Fisher was in Tennessee for 17 years with mixed results (made the playoffs 6 times, I believe, which is what random chance should do). Marvin Lewis has been with Cinci for 10 years, much of it mediocre.
I do feel bad for Kubiak for 2 years ago. That was his best chance so far...freakin Lis Franc...that slut just makes her way to ruining everyone.
