UT Football Thread

crash5179 · Sep 18, 2013

Heard on 1310 the Ticket in Dallas this morning that Art Briles is the name being tossed around behind closed doors in the media as a UT target for next head coach. Just a rumor I know but sometimes where there is smoke there is fire. Anyway just thought I would pass it along.

MadMax · Sep 18, 2013

crash5179 said: ↑

Heard on 1310 the Ticket in Dallas this morning that Art Briles is the name being tossed around behind closed doors in the media as a UT target for next head coach. Just a rumor I know but sometimes where there is smoke there is fire. Anyway just thought I would pass it along.
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I'd be surprised if that happened. I assume UT wants a younger guy than Briles, who is 58.

percicles · Sep 18, 2013

True?

University Of Texas Ready To Make Nick Saban Huge Offer

Will Texas be looking for a new coach by the end of this College Football season. You bet, and maybe even sooner. Here’s what our source tells us about who they’ll try to replace Mack Brown with, “Texas would offer Saban 10 million a year, plus he’d also receive 2 million a year from the Long Horns Network. They’re going to go after Saban hard” said our Texas Insider. You have to admit, Saban in Texas would be pretty hard to beat.-TO

http://network.yardbarker.com/all_sports/article_external/university_of_texas_ready_to_make_nick_saban_huge_offer/14569486
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Air Langhi · Sep 18, 2013

12 million/year for a coach?

And the players don't get paid anything. What a world.

ItsMyFault · Sep 18, 2013

Ehh. Even 12 million, it's a pipe dream.

percicles · Sep 18, 2013

The rumor is that Deloss has the Big C. Tweet plus insider post have led to this suspicion. Is it OK to say Deloss sucks at his job given the potential health news?

@MBTexasFootball: Players/staff will dedicate the game to someone close affected by cancer. Players will wear a yellow, purple or pink ribbon on helmet
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There a few things I need to get off my chest before I tell you what I'm going to tell you.

Some of you are rotten people and should be ashamed. Whatever DeLoss Dodds' faults as a leader of the athletic department might be, he's a man of the highest order and cares more deeply about the program and the people inside of it than you could ever think to know. Its one thing to talk about his performance on the job and it's another to have seen some of the reckless, mean remarks that I've seen on this board and others. Perhaps civil discourse is impossible in this day and age, but he's done too much for everyone that cares about this school to be treated like he has been by some, especially considering the circumstances.

Another reason that I'm posting is that I now know people who know this very sensitive information and if they know it, my guess is that it will be public in a very tasteless manner sooner rather than later. I care too much for DeLoss as a person to see that happen. If you've been paying attention, you'll know that DeLoss did not make it to the game in Provo last weekend because he's been sick. I don't know if he's ever missed a game, but I don't recall it ever happening before, so that should tell you something right there. As the week went along, word within the athletic department started to spread that DeLoss does not have the flu. Although none of the specifics are any of your business because he deserves the upmost privacy, the nature of his illness is considered serious and that's all you need to know. Don't automatically assume the worst, but please keep him in your prayers.

Based on a conversation I had yesterday with a department head, the date being discussed for DeLoss' final day is 12/31/13. This was as hot of a discussion around the 40 Acres yesterday as today's game. You've got people worried about jobs and whether a change of this nature will impact them, so you can only imagine the emails, texts and phone conversations that were taking place. By the time I went to sleep last night, this information along with details of DeLoss' personal situation had come to reach the hands of dangerous individuals that I believe would use the information in attempt to hurt DeLoss and the program. Undercutting this dangerous individual and others is half of my motivation for writing all of this. The second motivation has more to do with my own current dissatisfaction with what is happening at the very top levels of Bellmont and it goes well beyond the level of muck taking place here this week.

Members of athletic department might have been talking behind the scenes about what has been going on, but no one was prepared for the Orangebloods report that came out yesterday afternoon. On a perfect day to be a fly on the wall, you cannot fathom the level of anger directed at this site for reporting this story. It doesn't matter that the information was true and that everyone in the building was calling their beer buddies to be the first to have the scoop, Bellmont was volcano mad yesterday afternoon. If Chip Brown had walked into the parking lot yesterday afternoon, there would have been a line of kids waiting to fight him. So angry are they that there had already been discussions before the end of the day to delay DeLoss' exit from the department on 12/31/12 for the sole purpose of making Chip look bad out of spite. Once that piece of knowledge reached my brain, I decided to come forward because if there has ever been a reason to request change, it's on the heels of hearing that the most important stages of our athletic department's move into the future might be guided by a high level of hate for a single Internet site. Let's just forget that the athletic department is in purgatory and its long-time leader is dealing with serious personal issues so that we can discredit a report that is actually true. That is the mindset we're dealing with and it has a lot more to do with those around DeLoss than it does him. The good news is that after they get over being pissed at Orangebloods, they'll realize that that too much has happened and too many influences are in play for them to delay this from happening.

If I'm wrong and spite rules Bellmont's brain, at least everyone will know where our priorities are.

There will not be a sequel and I'm not doing this for the purpose of
creating my own Internet mythology. I've decided to come forward because
I'm infuriated with some of the posters on this site, some of the
people I know and quite a few people at Bellmont. The truth deserves daylight. My intention after I
hit the send button will be to log off and to never log back on again.
Any further action would potentially compromise my position within the
athletic department and that's not going to happen. I'll simply go back
to being one of the silent majority and life will go on with tonight's
game and whatever happens next.

Hook'em

Bellmont Traitor
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RocketFan007 · Sep 18, 2013

They did this last season as well. The color of ribbon represents someone close to the player that has suffered from cancer. Highly doubt it has anything to do with Dodds.

SWTsig · Sep 18, 2013

tinman said: ↑

6th street is basically 3 sectors now. Don't forget east 6th (east of 35), hotel vegas, shangrila etc. and west 6th where the yuppies hang out.
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yup... east 6th is for the portlandia hipster crowd, west 6th is the yuppie/post grad crowd and dirty sixth is a hell hole of thugs, riff raff and college kids.

BigBird · Sep 18, 2013

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True?
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is that a trusted site? if true...wow. The Nicktator would be huge

HillBoy · Sep 19, 2013

J.R. said: ↑

Mack Brown apologizes for 66-17 loss to OU next month
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That had me ROTFLMAO. That was almost as bad as Jason Garrett's press conferences after Cowboys games.

tinman · Sep 19, 2013

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Mack Brown on Swoopes: "We've got a limited package for him." Applewhite has him preparing every week as if he'll play.</p>— ESPN Texas (@ESPNTexas) <a href="https://twitter.com/ESPNTexas/statuses/380417953264455681">September 18, 2013</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Mack Brown on QBs: "If David doesn't play this week, we'll look at using Tyrone." <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Longhorns&src=hash">#Longhorns</a></p>— ESPN Texas (@ESPNTexas) <a href="https://twitter.com/ESPNTexas/statuses/380415299528318976">September 18, 2013</a></blockquote>
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J.R. · Sep 19, 2013

http://collegefootball.ap.org/article/apnewsbreak-texas-regent-talked-sabans-agent

Zergling · Sep 19, 2013

J.R. said: ↑

http://collegefootball.ap.org/article/apnewsbreak-texas-regent-talked-sabans-agent
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RocketFan007 · Sep 19, 2013

J.R. said: ↑

http://collegefootball.ap.org/article/apnewsbreak-texas-regent-talked-sabans-agent
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This was reported months ago by Inside Texas, and everyone said they were making it up.

percicles · Sep 19, 2013

J.R. said: ↑

http://collegefootball.ap.org/article/apnewsbreak-texas-regent-talked-sabans-agent
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This f-cking calcified limp dick Jim Crow era mutherf-cker needs to hurry up and die.

Joe Jamail, a billionaire trial lawyer who is one of the top donors to Texas, is Brown's attorney. When asked about the conference call with Sexton and the lunch meeting, Jamail suggested Hall was acting on his own and threatened to sue anyone outside the university if they try to pressure Brown to resign.
"If there are any more, get ready for a lawsuit," Jamail said. "Mack has publicly stated he wants to coach."
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percicles · Sep 19, 2013

SI is not a friend of the program.

It's time to play the game that's sweeping the nation. That's right, get ready for another round of Guess When Mack Said That!

The rules are simple. I'll provide two quotes from Texas coach Mack Brown. You decide when he uttered the words.

One of these quotes came on Oct. 25, 2010, two days after Texas lost to Iowa State at home to fall to 4-3 in a season the Longhorns eventually finished 5-7. One quote came out of Brown's mouth on Wednesday, four days after the Longhorns followed a road loss at BYU with a home loss to Ole Miss. So put on your thinking caps and ...

Guess ... When ... Mack ... Said ... That!

• Quote No. 1: "I'm not backing off at all. I still think this team's got a great shot. We've got a chance in every game left because I've seen it. I've seen it in practice. It's a great group of young people trying."

• Quote No. 2: "It's a great group of young people. They're trying. They want to."

Quote No. 1 is tricky, because it makes sense to reason that a 4-3 team -- with one of its losses coming against a nonconference opponent -- would still have a great shot at something. But no. It is the current 1-2 team that Brown believes still has a great shot. In fact, later in that response Brown pointed out that he did not say a similar sort of thing in 2010. Of course, quote No. 2 proves he said exactly that sort of thing in 2010. He sees now what he saw then, which makes it somewhat surprising that he expects a different result. It also makes it completely obvious why writers with a burnt-orange bent can write eerily plausible fan fiction about events that have yet to take place.

So what happened at Texas? How did a program that racked up double-digit wins every season from 2001-09 wind up in a dive that it appears Brown will not be able to emerge from? Plenty of people in college athletics would like to believe this is some sort of karmic retribution for the Longhorns jerking around the former Pac-10 and nearly destroying the Big 12 in the summer of 2010 as a negotiating ploy to get a favorable situation in the Big 12 to ensure plans for the Longhorn Network stayed on track. Plenty of people in College Station would say Texas deserves this fate for planning to use the Longhorn Network as a direct recruiting tool by sending cameras to the games of Texas recruits. That idea, revealed in 2011 during a radio interview with ESPN executive Dave Brown that now lives in infamy, was the final straw that sent Texas A&M running for a better deal in the SEC and nearly destroyed the Big 12 again.

But that stuff was all political. This is a football problem. That 5-7 campaign in 2010 was supposed to be the anomaly. The wins were supposed to soar into double digits again. Texas seemed to be on the right track in 2011, but the Longhorns stalled in 2012. The annihilation by Oklahoma was proof enough of that. Now, Texas will enter Big 12 play against Kansas State on Saturday needing a miracle run through the league to come close to meeting the lofty preseason expectations placed on a team that returned 19 starters.

Unfortunately for the Longhorns, starting quarterback David Ash is questionable. So is top receiver Mike Davis. This is the problem for Texas. The nation's wealthiest program, with its pick of players from the state that produces more AQ-conference talent than anywhere except Florida, with a team boasting more experience than anyone else in the conference, should have quality players ready. The Longhorns should have backups who, given enough practice time, can compete with -- if not whip -- every team in the Big 12 except Oklahoma. Why? Because it's Texas. It's the easiest recruiting job in America. Come to one of the planet's coolest cities to play for the program five generations of your family has pulled for while surrounded by the best of everything. Yet for some reason, Texas doesn't have the players.

If Texas had the players, the Longhorns would have tackled BYU quarterback Taysom Hill much more frequently than they did on Sept. 7. Instead, Hill ran for 259 yards. This was pinned on defensive coordinator Manny Diaz, who was fired the day after the 40-21 loss. But if Diaz was to blame, how did Texas allow Ole Miss tailback Jeff Scott to average 8.6 yards a carry the following week? Because of its built-in advantages, Texas should always have better players than BYU and Ole Miss, but that certainly didn't seem to be the case during their matchups. When a team gets dominated two consecutive weeks along the line of scrimmage, it's usually not a scheme issue. It's a talent issue.

According to the Rivals.com recruiting rankings, Brown has continued to bring in top-level talent. From 2009-12, when the bulk of the players contributing now were signed, Rivals.com ranked all of Texas' classes among the top five nationally. Recruiting rankings are specifically unpredictable, but generally they are decent indicators of future success. Besides, Texas was beating Alabama, LSU and Oklahoma for various prospects. The players those staffs have recruited successfully have gone on to win on the field. Wouldn't the others those staffs pursued also be good?

Did Texas coaches choose less brilliant athletes than before, or have they lost their ability to develop them? This college football's ultimate chicken-and-egg argument, and unfortunately it doesn't usually get answered until a new coach takes the helm. For example, we now can be fairly certain Charlie Weis recruited good players at Notre Dame but didn't develop them. (Because Brian Kelly did.) But what of Texas? Has the development stunted?

I have a theory about this, and it goes back to something Brown told me in an interview in 2010. We were discussing the Longhorns' intended shift to a more pro-style running game in the post-Colt McCoy era, and Brown said something that probably would have sounded more shocking and set off more alarm bells if the Longhorns hadn't just gone 13-1. "I was scared to death of wind and rain with Colt," Brown said, "because we had lost our ability to run."

The coach at Texas was afraid of the weather because his offense had become so reliant on a special quarterback -- either McCoy or Vince Young -- that it had forgotten how to do the basics. Let's repeat that: The coach at Texas, who should have better players than almost every team on the schedule, was afraid of the weather. Looking back now, it seems so obvious. At least on offense, Texas had the great fortune of back-to-back dynamo quarterbacks. Young and McCoy could take over games. Defenses had to devote so much energy to stopping them that everyone else had it easy. Any recruiting or developmental deficiencies were masked by this advantage. As soon as the elite quarterbacks went away, the flaws became apparent. Maybe Tyrone Swoopes, the freshman coaches elected not to play against Ole Miss, will relieve Case McCoy this week against Kansas State and spark a Texas offensive renaissance, just as Young did in 2003 when everyone was calling for Brown's job. That's really the only chance the Longhorns have on that side of the ball. Another special quarterback must emerge, or defenses will feast.

The Texas defense is a little more of a mystery. Former coordinator Will Muschamp's 2010 defense finished ninth in the nation in yards per play (4.6) and fifth in total defense (300.2 yards a game). Diaz's first Texas defense in 2011 finished ninth in the nation with an identical yards-per-play number and 11th in total defense (306.1 yards a game). Both units led the Big 12 in those categories. Then the wheels came off in 2012. Plagued by poor tackling, Texas allowed 5.9 yards a play and 404.2 yards a game.

A look at the NFL draft adds some context, because NFL personnel people don't care about school colors when they evaluate. (Just check out what Unnamed NFL Scout says every April. The guy is merciless.) Since 2009, Texas has had 20 players drafted. Of those, 16 played defense. The NFL was already unimpressed with the Texas offense. So maybe the defense is experiencing a talent lull while the offense has continued to flounder. That's a bad combination, but it doesn't explain everything.

Some of Brown's personnel moves offer more clues. After he hired Bennie Wylie in January 2011 to assist Jeff Madden in the weight room, Brown said this to The New York Times: "When I started doing my evaluation here, I was in my own little world and I didn't realize that just about everyone in the upper part of Division I-A football had their own football strength coach. We had a departmental wide strength coach, and we were wearing him out and he was doing too much." Not only did everyone have their own football strength coach at that time, some programs -- such as Alabama and Florida State -- had nine weight room assistants that were essentially analogues to the nine position coaches. In 2012, the NCAA instituted a rule that limited the number of strength coaches per team to five, but the 2011 episode proved how behind the times Texas was. The same was true this past offseason when Brown hired Patrick Suddes away from Alabama to be the Longhorns' director of player personnel and overhaul the Texas recruiting machine. The Crimson Tide, who are winning all the national titles the Longhorns keep dreaming about, have an advanced scouting department. Texas has more money than Alabama, but until recently athletic director DeLoss Dodds has not opened his wallet to compete with the Alabamas and Ohio States.

Texas seems to have made the correct moves behind the scenes, but the Longhorns made them about three or four years late. That fact and a major state university now swinging its SEC affiliation and recent Heisman Trophy winner as a cudgel in Lone Star State recruiting have complicated matters a bit.

Maybe Brown is correct. Maybe the Longhorns can save their season by winning the Big 12. But the prognosis is grim. At least three Big 12 programs (Baylor, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State) appear to have better players than Texas pretty much across the board. On Saturday, the Longhorns will face a team that never -- at least according to the recruiting services -- has better players than Texas but has managed to beat the Longhorns in five consecutive meetings.

If Kansas State makes it a sixth consecutive win on Saturday, it should be a clear sign. The program that always has done more with less will have once again beaten the program that usually does less with more. That great group of young people is trying, but it may not have the tools it needs to win.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20130919/texas-longhorns-mack-brown-walkthrough/#ixzz2fMGkOlXi
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percicles · Sep 19, 2013

I guess this means he is coming, no?

Shannon B. Terry @sbterry247
Spoke to sources close to #Saban regarding #Texas. Saban has no interest in leaving #Alabama for Texas job.
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Rip Van Rocket · Sep 19, 2013

percicles said: ↑

SI is not a friend of the program.
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Well, it sounds like a whole lot of truth to me. I see nothing wrong with the article.

percicles · Sep 19, 2013

Rip Van Rocket said: ↑

Well, it sounds like a whole lot of truth to me. I see nothing wrong with the article.
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Friend/not friend of the program is running joke on Texas message boards. Like if you fall in line with whatever Mack spits or throw softball questions during Mon pressers then you're a 'friend of the program.' If you question butterteef or provide evidence of his utter ineptness then you are not.

Rip Van Rocket · Sep 19, 2013

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Friend/not friend of the program is running joke on Texas message boards. Like if you fall in line with whatever Mack spits or throw softball questions during Mon pressers then you're a 'friend of the program.' If you question butterteef or provide evidence of his utter ineptness then you are not.
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Oh OK. I don't hang out on the Texas boards. I get all my sports information from Clutchfans.

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