ESPN: Kris Humphries about to show the world that he is at Blake Griffin's level

15 posts in before we make this about Lin.

Lets focus on him making himself better before we give him the responsibility of making NBA bench players better.

 

Kris Humphries is a logical get for Asik straight up. Contract wise it works. And Boston would have to give up a pick to make the deal even. Humphries is a plus defender and rebounder. He would be a more than adequate backup for Dwight. And possibly could play with Dwight against other dual big lineups. As far as him shooting the 3....his jumper has nice form but he's never hit it at a consistent enough rate from 2 to warrant him taking it. (However he has shown me that he does know a little bit about the game. He shoots roughly 70% of his shots in the paint area.) If he could actually fade into the corner and hit the 3-ball at 37% or so that would be a great improvement to his offensive game. And if he would eliminate the top of the key jumper, the 2-point jumper he takes with the most frequency that he shoots at the worst efficiency (free throw line straight out to the 3 point line) that would be another huge improvement in his offensive game.

If we are going to consider Parsons playing out his deal without going through restricted free agency so we can play in 2015 free agency as well as 2014 free agency..then we have to consider how we are going to convert Asik and Lin to pure cap space. So any trades of Asik/Lin have to be for a superstar directly or for some combination of expiring contracts/non-guaranteed contracts and draft picks. Those contracts have to expire (or become nonguaranteed) after this season (2014) so we can be players in free agency this season. And if we don't land said superstar in 2014 free agency we cannot take on any salary for more than one year to once again be players in 2015 free agency. This means we have to let Parsons play out his deal and become unrestricted in 2015. And we've got to convert Asik and Lin to either expiring or non-guaranteed deals. Humphries fits the mold. But we'd have to get a draft pick along with him to have some sort of residual value for Asik in the event we have to let Humphries walk after this coming season.

 

Almost 6 rebound in 18 minutes a game. He's definitely not useless on the court.

 

I like K-hump's game a lot, no flash but a lot of substance. His low rebs and pts career ave are due to him covering for Brook Lopez and letting that guy take majority of shots and all the uncontested defensive rebs. At age 28 I think he's in his prime too.

With that said, I wouldn't trade him for Asik because Asik is younger, has more upside and is the better value contract. K-hump got overpaid by the Nets and is making around 12M.

 

Well he did hit it second.:grin:




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No.

I said Asik for Hump and a first round pick.

 

Carl if we are able to get a first round pick out of Asik...yes, that's about the best value we could achieve. I don't think we can trade Asik individually for a player that would have greater value than KHump and that 2014 first round pick. In fact...I don't think Boston would do it.

The only other possibility of getting more value out of Asik is if a trade for a superstar materialized and we could trade Asik plus Lin plus a combination of young talent and picks for a player like Bosh or Melo or Love or possibly LaMarcus. That will either happen or it won't.


Outside of these possibilities, Carl....what do you think Asik's individual trade value is? Asik alone?

 

Doesnt khump make like 12M a year? We're already at the cap as it is. Not sure 4M extra salary is worth it.

 

Top 25?

That is high. I love Asik, but that is pretty generous.

 

Hmmmmmm, wow. Top 25??

don't know about that but won't argue it. because I like him a lot. Oh, I like Millsap too. Would really like to add him to this team. But I don't think Millsap alone is enough for Asik. Millsap and a first rounder..yes. And for cap purposes I'd rather have KHump and his contract than Gibson's deal. Gibson is a cap clogger.

Deng?? - - yes, contract fits. But Chicago's first rounder would be the same thing as a second rounder. And if you traded big for small...you've left a gap behind and around Dwight. I would much rather see if we could convert Lin to some asset that Chicago would take for Deng. Say Lin (and another filler contract) to Orlando for Afflalo and send Afflalo to Chicago for Deng. I just don't think trading Asik for Deng helps us. But I like Deng and his contract and would love to flip Lin for him.

We wouldn't be acquiring the pick to draft a player. We would be acquiring the pick as a trade asset. A rebuilding team that wants to stink (like Portland possibly) is going to prefer a pick and an expiring contract to Asik in my opinion. Let's say the season starts and it becomes obvious that Portland doesn't have a chance to make the playoffs this season. IF they can unload Matthews' contract along with LaMarcus and get back expiring contracts and picks...that's the best case scenario for them.

If you are going to trade Asik for a superstar directly...you're going to have to add assets to him. Which is obviously choice #1. But if you can't execute that then the next best position for us to be in salary cap wise going into the 2014 off season is to have expiring non-guaranteed deals on the books that can be cut or traded or re-signed and traded along with future picks. Because typically when teams trade away superstars they get worse and the best thing they can do is tank out a season, get in the lottery and start stock piling assets.

Boston, on the other hand, they're like us. They aint gonna tank. They're gonna try to make the playoffs and compete. For that reason alone, I still think Rondo is on the table and I will be surprised if Rondo is not traded by the deadline. Ainge can execute a quick re-load with a Rondo trade. This is why I still say that Boston is a prime trade candidate for both Asik and Lin. Asik, Lin, one of DMO/TJones and a couple future first round picks for Rondo/Bogans. We then convert Rondo and whatever into our 3rd superstar or we actually keep Rondo as our 3rd superstar (not necessarily my preference)

Proposed trade: Asik/Lin/Jones/14 first rounder/15 first rounder/(2 of 3 of Brewer, Brooks, Williams..whichever 2 make the final roster) for Rondo/KHump/Bogans/Pressey and 2 future second rounders.

Why for Boston? Makes them an obvious playoff team in the East with multiple players at each position that could be combined for future trade. Lin/ABrooks/MBrooks/Lee/Bradley/Crawford in the backcourt. Green/Wallace/Brewer at the 3. Asik/Bass/Sully/Jones/Olnyk/Faverani at the power positions.

Why for us? Obvious...3rd star....potential for future trade for 3rd star....Rondo's contract expires after 14/15 season. Potential alternative 3rd superstar free agent signing. Options, options, options....

Is Rondo the best fit for H&H?? Mmmmm, I doubt it. BUt he's a bonafide superstar. If he is available you have to trade for him. Because of his value.

Cost: ~ $3 million in luxury tax this year. plus ~ $15 million in additional salaries out of pocket so around $18 million more this year

But next year instead of sitting on $40 million owed to Asik/Lin plus Jones...we have Rondo at $12 million. So, overall around $10 million cost savings. IF...we re-signed KHump or some other player for $10 mill per season...it would be a wash.

Just some of my thoughts on Asik's trade value and the possibilities.

 

So you are arguing Chris Andersen is a better big than Noah, Hibbert, Aldridge and Dirk?

Mike Conley is a better guard than Wade, Curry, and Iggy?

 

I think Carl is just saying that is not outrages to say that Asik is top 25. Point taken and no need to crucify the chart and read too much into it.

 

Absolute statistical production or PPG may not make it seem like Andersen is all that good, but his per-minute production in defensive stats (Rebounding, Steals, Blocks) has generally been elite throughout his career. There's actually a very a good statistical reason why the Heat last season were struggling through the Regular Season until hey signed Andersen and gave him heavy minutes. His defensive impact is incredible.

 

Asik going back to Chicago, for Taj Gibson. ?..id do it in a heartbeat and id take a 2nd rd pick thank you.