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Was Sam Houston a traitor?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by da1, Sep 9, 2013.

  1. JuanValdez

    JuanValdez Member

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    How are we defining 'martyr' here? And, more importantly, does it matter? By their deaths, the defenders of the Alamo inspired a catchy battle cry? And, did it really matter in the end?

    To quote the Hollywood Patton (since it isn't shown that the real Patton ever said it): I want you to remember that no b*stard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor, dumb b*stard die for his country.
     
  2. rocketsjudoka

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    According to the Wiki article the battle helped to rally support and increase enlistment in the Texian Army.
     
  3. Dubious

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    the victors write the history, all Texians were fearless freedom fighters

    scoreboard!
     
  4. Blake

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    No, he was not a traitor. He was a *****ing bada$$
     
  5. JuanValdez

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    Eh, I'm not sure I'm going to take that at face value. The only piece of evidence they have is an anecdote from a US newspaper, which were not exactly bastions of impartiality at the time. Contrast that with the general panic caused by the fall of the Alamo with everyone fleeing their homes before they got burned out by Santa Ana's army. I think it's likely enough that the fear of the approaching army with a reputation for ruthlessness did push Anglo settlers into Houston's army to swell the ranks. And the defeat of the Alamo is probably part of that reputation. But, would it really have been much different if they did not fight at the Alamo? Did people join frmo inspiration or self-preservation? Santa Ana would still have taken his supplies from settlements he passed, he still would show no quarter to anglo settlers, so the panic of his approach and the need to fight would have been roughly the same.
     
  6. Dairy Ashford

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    Dear God, no. Travis was both insubordinate and just wrong; even though his sacrifice probably either split, distracted or just gave Ana and the Mexican Army enough overconfidence to lead to whatever screw ups they made at San Jacinto. Santa Ana as the head of state traveling with his Army made no sense, either.
     
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  7. Dairy Ashford

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    No. Half-handed theories and opinions based on anecdotal leaps of logic once again.
     
  8. CCorn

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    According to the movie the army had to travel through the terrible blizzards that occur during the Texas winter.
     
  9. da1

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    The time also gave houston to use federal soldiers to help defeat santa anna not just texas troops
     
  10. da1

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    In two consecutive posts you manage to post deuling thoughts. Amazing.
     
  11. Air Langhi

    Air Langhi Contributing Member

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    One of the reasons for the texas revolution was slavery. The mexican's wanted to abolish it. The anglos wanted their slaves. Really if the Texas Revolutionaries lived today they would be branded as terrorists and crazy people.

    History is written by the victors. Just like in most history book the trail of tears isn't made out to be a holocaust which it really was.
     
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  12. bigtexxx

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    Good grief some of you are just a bunch of haters

    Slavery was one of MANY reasons for the Texas revolution. And not the main reason, either.
     
  13. bobloblaw

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    Sam Houston was indeed a traitor. A traitor to the Confederacy!!!

    Actually, he was evicted from office for refusing to swear his loyalty to the Confederacy.
     
  14. boomboom

    boomboom I GOT '99 PROBLEMS

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  15. MoonDogg

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    Probably traveling through Katy.....
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  16. TheRealist137

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    Sam Houston wasn't a traitor.

    Sam Dallas though, that guy was a douchebag.
     
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  17. bobloblaw

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    Save the hatred for the most prominent of all Texas traitors:

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  18. Dairy Ashford

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    What in the holy hell are you talking about? Please just make an effort to do some research or organize your thoughts before you post.
     
  19. Dairy Ashford

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    He still lives here and his company provides a lot of jobs and money for the city. Plus I think a lot of those birds are really meant for George Halas and Bert Bell.
     
  20. da1

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    Speak for yourself.
     

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