Part of interrogation is manipulating people. Sorry if you never realized that. His conversation with Gomez most importantly. Other than that, I have suspicions, but nothing else to confirm. Jesse & Hank want Walt to pay in different ways. What is completely incorrect? That Hank isn't a good person? He's not. If you think he is, you may want some self reflection of your own. Would explain the way you are in the D&D. Hank isn't ruining his reputation and his career to bring Walt down. Protecting his reputation and career is the only reason Walt probably isn't in jail. He's been hiding a bunch of facts from the DEA and avoiding the proper channels because he doesn't want to go down like his predecessor. He hasn't killed Lydia. If people don't care about Hank's disregard for Jesse's life and his willingness to have him be sacrificed, than they must care that Walt isn't exactly killing the innocent (like Todd). Mike's guys were about to give up everything. Only reason it didn't happen is Hank was trying to use them against each other, which provided the time for Walt to have them executed.
When I was younger the male actor in Boy Meets World did an interview. The show was allowing fans to vote on if Corey and Topanga should get married and the fans voted overwhelmingly in favor of the marriage. The actor that played Corey, or wait was it Corey or Sean? I forget names. Anyways, the actor playing the lead role said he was disappointed in the viewing audience, that he was hoping the viewers would realize their characters were too young and needed more life experiences before making such a big decision. I shouted at the TV when he said that. I said, "it's a ****ing TV show, bro."
I'm in with the pro-Walt crowd. If it could somehow be pro-Walt and pro-Jesse, that would be the best. I don't really care what happens to Hank. I disliked him in Season 1 and my dislike has returned in full force. He's a d-bag, and that scowl is getting old.
No it's not reflection on me? you are the one who can;t have a conversation on a tv show without throwing around insults. But by all means keep trying to push your points by calling people dumb. Yes he is. If Walt is caught Hank loses his job and reputation. period. Hank knows this and has said it multiple times. Despite this, he is doing everything he can to build a case against Walt. He was going to until she made herself useful.
Yes, interrogation is. Good Cop/Bad Cop is a classic example. I don't know what to tell you. I haven't called you dumb. I said it's over your head. Doesn't mean you are dumb. It would be over my mom's head, but she is very intelligent. If you think a good person insults their spouse and partner, puts family members in possibly dangerous situations, breaks the law on numerous occasions, uses their connections in law enforcement to keep their wife out of jail several times, and regularly degrades and dehumanizes people, then I don't know what to tell you. Hank has said that he has to be the one to catch Walt. He sees the only way to save his career is to catch Walt himself. Imagine what happens if Hank didn't go after Walt and this was discovered? He'd go to jail. When he found out, he could have arrested Walt, gone through the DEA, and he just would have risked losing his job for being oblivious for a year. If all he cared about was bringing Walt down at all costs, he'd have brought this to the DEAs attention when he found out. Instead he is looking out for himself by investigating on his own. Maybe he was, but maybe he wasn't. We'll never know for sure. We know he was willing to go there. She's not useful to him now, and in fact was a hinderance by popping up at the car wash, but she's still very much alive.
They used the same trick just moments before Gus had his face blown off; the shot used had part of his face blacked out/covered by a computer screen. Brilliant catches there my friend!
It's a TV show. There really aren't characters I want to see win or lose. I'm open to any outcome. I'm just along for the ride.
Tell me when Hank played good cop, bad cop with Jesse. Tell me when Hank manipulated Jesse. That is your position. I disagree with your perception of Hank and you claim it is because the show 'went over my head'. That is a shot at my intelligence. You can do whatever mental gymnastics you want after. Didn't say he was a good person, I said he wasn't a bad person and is meant to be the Walt's opposite. I said he gets emotional which would explain most the above above. dehumanizes people? such as?. degrades people? you mean he threw out insults to people like u do? I also have no problem with Hank using his connections to get Walt out of jail for the small crime of talking back to a cop. I would too.
At the same time, it is okay to root for any of the characters because it is a TV show. It isn't real.
Hank was good/bad guy there at the table. He was really being the good guy with Jesse, but it didn't get the desired result. That is when he said he didn't have a choice. Really, before the video tape, Jesse had a choice. I can tell you disagree. You are blind to it. I can't make you see what you don't want to see. You can take it as an insult if you want. On your last point, lets take you back on a journey down very recent memory lane: He dehumanizes and degrades people with regard to any time he talks about drug users. He degrades his Marie & Gomez by insulting them. He does it frequently. I didn't even mention the time he got Walt out. I agree I'd do the same thing. I don't know how many times I'd bail my wife out for stealing though. Once? Absolutely. Twice? Probably. Three times? No. Of course in his case, his wife stealing would be quite the embarrassment for him. Edit: I don't think they were meant to be opposites. They gave them very similar personality traits. Similar flaws. I do think there is something to the choosing opposite paths. Gomez & Jr. are the only 2 characters we've seen that we haven't really seen a bad side to.
Hank is being a bad cop with jessie because when gomie tells him "the kids right, what if it is a trap?" Hank says something along the lines of he doesn't care, and that, that was the point. Having jessie killed at the scene, making it easier to catch Walter.
Tallanvor, I viewed Hank just as you up until this past episode. Although Hank was a bit racist and somewhat of a blowhard cop, I feel that he ultimately wanted to do good. But this thing with Walt has messed him up. No matter what you think of Jessie's character, you're not supposed to be OK with sacrificing someone's life to bust a criminal. Police officers and DEA agents are supposed to protect the public safety, and along with that comes a responsibility to protect the lives of those who are law-abiding citizens as well as criminals. It's one thing to say, "No, Jessie won't get hurt, I'll make sure of it" and another to say, "well, if Walt kills Jessie, at least we'll get it on tape." That's crossing the line into Bad, IMHO.
Amen. That last line in your post is impossible to justify morally just as you said. It was the entire aim of the last episode, to show how Walt's actions have pushed everybody else to evil. Marie with the poison. Skylar with wanting to kill Jessie Hank most of all, as he has been treading the line all along, to bad territory.
Still disagree by far. Hank is some lame brained alpha dog with frat boy work tendencies and he was totally exposed at Mexico. I'll give him some credit for being self aware enough to get panic attacks after that realization...Look, a shiny rock! Walt would learn Spanish and do the "know they enemy" thing if he was DEA. He's totally content to being behind the scenes while playing mastermind. Hank doesn't have time or mind for that bull****. Albuquerque sipping Shraderbrau all the way baby. I mean shoot, the first seasons had Hank invade Walt's parenting domain as if Walt wasn't an alpha or fatherly enough of a presence. Good intentions, but that totally blew up with the whole Jr. puking at the poolside incident. With Hank, you knew where he stood. Walt...
I think it is very probable that the direction the show goes is to make Hank 'break bad' so to speak. Just don;t think it has happened yet. Cranston mentioned in some interview that given the right circumstances everyone can break bad. Could be foreboding this. I interpreted that line in the last episode differently than you. I think Hank was just saying that Jesse's life is a sacrifice he can live with. I don;t find that wrong. When a president goes to war presumably he is admitting to himself he can live with the death of troops. I would also say a comment is a comment and it is far different than an action like calling for the murder of 10 strangers a la Walt.
Hank is pretty racist in many circles, but that's part of who he is. They don't make him that way so everyone hates him nor do they promote it to make the audience laugh. This show is complicated. He went from being the guy to making everyone completely uncomfortable with his persona when he originally got promoted. This show is about different circles, different groups, different sets of values and a lot of gray. Anyhow, I wanted to reiterate the Walk manipulation theme. It was originally to get Jesse to cook with him and not turn on Hank when Hank beat the crap out of Jesse. Then it was about Walt's control over Jesse vs Gus control. Gus was also a master manipulator...with setting up Jesse to be the hero, building up his confidence, and actually making him part of Gus' inner circle. Then Walt and Gus had that standoff where they were fighting over who would win Jesse's will. After Gus, there was the Walt trying to manipulate Jesse away from Mike. Walt never agreed with anything Mike did, but only followed along to look good in front of Jesse. Jesse was on to Walt's manipulations and transformation ever since before Brock. He knew Walt wanted to kill Gus before explicitly asking. He suspected Walt of poisoning Brock. He didn't believe Walt had any remorse over Todd murdering the child. I don't get why everyone is pissing on Jesse. It's one thing to like the bad guy, but some of y'all absolutely love Walt and overlook the inhumanity that he has become. From the lying, to the killing, to Brock, to the dirt bike dead kid, to actually stealing Jesse's money bc Walt wanted to build an empire (after Jesse giving Walt money at the beginning of season 5 when Walt had none)...he finally gave Jesse his money back (and probably some more) after quitting only bc Skylar begged him. I respect Walt as a decent bad guy...not the smartest bc there's definitely a lot of luck involved, but pretty damn smart. But hell, Jesse is not p***y just because he has moral trepidation over all of the crap that has occurred. He was a mindless junkie who didn't give a damn about Walter White in the beginning, but he transformed into someone who cares about people and always wanting the love and approval of Mr. White until the guy he respected went too far.
I think a lot of people overly relate to Walt more than other villians like Tony Soprano/Marlo Barksdale or even Vic Mackie Rocket River
The audience had a chance to bond with Walt before his transformation/reveal. We got to see him trapped in his drab life being prodded and humiliated by his frat-boy brother-in-law over not being man enough or not making enough money. The audience got to see him pushed around by his wife who didn't seem to empathize enough with his feelings and desires. The writers wanted the viewers to empathize and many did. The audience isn't just gonna turn on Walt just because the writers want them, too. When it isn't due to his ego, Walt usually has his reasons for the things he does. Besides, there is still a goofiness about how Cranston plays the character, a desperateness when he is scrambling to initiate a scheme. Walt hunches over and fumbles a bit when he gets desperate, it is very un-Heisenbergish. I think Cranston's portrayal "softens" the character a bit. Jesse, however, has been a screw-up from jump start. An under-acheiving, idiotic, druggie whose behavior has tortured his family and constantly threatens to bring down the show's protagonist. Walt had been warned a few times of the danger of working with a drug addict. Walt putting down this rabid dog/getting bitten by him has been a long time coming.
