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[AMC] Breaking Bad - Season 5

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by R0ckets03, Jun 2, 2012.

  1. Commodore

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    I read alot about this show on the net, and I didn't see anyone predict the nature of Walt's "confession". It was brilliant.

    You have to imagine Hank could disprove it though. A lie that big is going to have holes in it.
     
  2. CCorn

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    But Walt paying his bills is going to make it a difficult task.
     
  3. tallanvor

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    He murdered Mike and ordered the hit of 10 random strangers (none of this was really necessary). He was about to murder Lidia too until she made herself useful. That's not too egregious?
     
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    Makes you wonder if they somewhat planned that and knew if the day ever came, they had that as a piece of blackmail. Insane

    Also, that confession tape came out of left field for sure.
     
  5. theogcasey

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    I don't think it was planned. I seem to remember Skylar being pissed at Walt at the time (he wasn't living at the house) and she offered his money to spite him. And Walt obliged because he knew he played a role in the hit. You could be right though, maybe Walt had these intentions all along.

    When the series is over, I need to sit down and watch it all together. I'm having trouble tracing back stuff from 2 or 3 seasons ago that are being casually brought up. I can't get enough of this show.
     
  6. Commodore

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    Can someone recap what happened with the ricin in season 4 and how at the end of the last episode Jesse was able to deduce that Walt poisoned Brock? It's all very confusing.

    How does Jesse go from: "Huel lifted the ricin, therefore Walt poisoned Brock"

    Brock wasn't poisoned with ricin. No one knows how Brock got sick except Walt right?
     
  7. mrm32

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    Jesse had the ricin cigarette because he was the only one of the two that could get close enough to poison Gus. Walt felt that he was losing Jesse to Gus so he poisoned Brock with Lily of the Valley and had Hulle switch out the cigs with Jesse. Jesse then realizes he lost the ricin and Walt gives him the idea that Gus has no boundaries and will use kids in his business thus turning Jesse against Walt which helps him eventually kill Gus. For a moment Jesse believes Gus took the ricin from him but the doctors confirm it was not ricin poisoning so he starts to freak out about what happened to the cig which then Walt "finds" in Jesses home.

    Now in switcharoo number 2 Jesse all of a sudden begins to realize that this may not have been the first time Hulle lifted something off his pocket and realizes Walt manipulated him into thinking Gus poisoned Brock for his own personal agenda. Remember, Walt always makes it seem like its about Jesse but in reality he's only worried about himself which is true throughout the series especially when he's turning Jesse against Gus and this episode.
     
  8. durvasa

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    In season 4, Jesse learns one evening that Brock is very sick. Outside the hospital, when he's having a smoke, he realizes that the ricin cigarette is missing. He warns his girlfriend that the kid might have been poisoned. Believing Walt was the only other person who knew about the ricin, he confronts him and threatens him. He spouts a theory that somehow the ricin cigarette was lifted from him earlier that day when he visited Saul and Huell was patting him down. He thinks Walt was pissed at him for some reason, and he wanted Jesse to suffer by having the kid die. Walt explains to him how crazy it the theory sounds -- why would he hurt an innocent boy. That Gus must have somehow found out about the ricin with all the cameras he has around their workplace. And he had one of his goons lift it from Jesse's locker at the factory. Gus must have done this to make Jesse want to kill Walt. Jesse accepts Walt's theory, and helps him by luring Gus to the hospital and giving Walt an opportunity to kill him there, as well as by telling Walt about Gus's visits to the Hector. Eventually, Jesse learns that the kid actually wasn't poisoned by ricin, but Walt plants the ricin cigarette in Jesse's home, making him think it must have just dropped from his pocket or something.

    When Jesse realizes that he got pick-pocketed, he has a flurry of mental connections taking him back to his initial suspicions that the ricin cigarette was lifted from him at Saul's way back when. He was already at a tipping point with Walt and his manipulative ways, and this just put it over the top. Walt had again lied to him, and he deduces the Walt must have also had something to do with Brock's illness (otherwise it would be an incredible coincidence that the child exhibits symptoms similar to ricin poisoning the same day Walt steals it back).
     
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    This has already been answered, but here is a very detailed timeline and explanation of Jesse's epiphany from the BB subreddit:

    Jesse put all that s*** together quickly!
     
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    Where is Holly during all of this? I ask because part of me feels like Jesse is going to snap out of it when he either hears her cry or sees something resembling her in the house.
     
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    Probably with Skylar at the car wash.
     
  12. stthomsfinest

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    Or some sort of daycare?
     
  13. durvasa

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    Who would leave a baby alone in the house? Especially with baby-snatching relatives and the looming threat of the drug cartel entering their lives again.
     
  14. Ziggy

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    I don't care how good that Low Winter Sun show gets rated I will never watch it, ever. AMC's punishment for trying it force it down my throat.
     
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    showtime forced me to watch homeland after dexter. i did.
     
  16. J Sizzle

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    Basically how I feel haha. Hilarious gimmick by AMC to not show the preview to the next Breaking Bad episode unless you stuck around until midway through Low Winter Sun.

    There might not be a worse time slot for a show than the one right after Breaking Bad.
     
  17. mrm32

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    Homeland is amazing though.
     
  18. dandorotik

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    I see all these "best TV show of all time" lists now and The Wire, The Sopranos, Breaking Bad, and Mad Men are usually up there. What about The X Files? If anything, Breaking Bad takes a lot of its structure ideas (the cold open style, mix of comedy in dramatic episodes) straight from the X Files- not surprising as Gilligan wrote 20 of its episodes. I'd put The X Files over Mad Men and The Sopranos, definitely. Breaking Bad and The Wire? Maybe a notch below those.
     
  19. Angkor Wat

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    You guys realize they don't actually show anything in the "previews" right? Vince said it would give too much away. So it's basically just a voice over about next week. Just wait for the talking dead teaser
     
  20. Cannonball

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    I think they are. Vince Gilligan doesn't like Walt. He doesn't think he's a good person and finds him hard to sympathize with.

    But I think it's the nature of the audience to identify with the protagonist. And with the slow transformation of Walt, they've never felt the impulse to turn on Walt the way Gilligan probably intended them to. It's like a crab and boiling water. If we'd been introduced to Walt later in the story, we probably wouldn't like him that much. Strictly comparing point A to point B, he's a pretty bad guy. But watching that change slowly over time, we're more able to accept the smaller build up of moral failings and overlook the severity of the overall transformation.

    I think Gilligan underestimated the ability and/or willingness of the audience to continually identify with Walt even when things got really bad. He probably needed to take the character much farther than he did to achieve the intended goal of turning Walt into a truly despised man in the eyes of the audience.
     

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