Obama and Wiretapping

The media has given snowden full attention. if the public doesn't care they just dont. snowden isnt the most sympathetic figure anyway

 

Liberals -- are you 100% satisfied with the Obama administration's handling of wiretapping?

 

I'm sorry. I know I shouldn't make light of it, but you really have to pity the poor slob at the NSA who has to review stolen videoconference feeds from the UN. Maybe they are trying to perfect a sleep weapon. :grin:

EDIT: on a more serious note, we are basically the New England Patriots of nations. At least the color scheme works. :-(

 

Not at all. In large part that's why I didn't vote for him this past election.

 

It would terrific if the Supreme Court actually did something to end this abuse of power.

 

The NSA / Obama / American Spying story needs more coverage....

The U.S. National Security Agency swept up 70.3 million French telephone records in a 30-day period

 

one. world. government.

it's already happening.

 

smh

I wanna see this place

Rocket River
I wanna sit in the chair

 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/23/merkel-nsa-phone-allies-enemies

Merkel spying claim: with allies like these, who needs enemies?
Is the negotiating edge that secret eavesdropping gives the US worth the immense reputational damage it is now suffering?

For the third time in a week, Barack Obama has found himself trying to placate the leaders of closely allied nations who have discovered the extent of NSA surveillance in their countries. As the flood of spying scandals threatens to engulf the White House, it has raised the question over whether the negotiating edge such secret eavesdropping provides is worth the reputational damage to Washington once it is secret no more, mostly as a result of the revelations of former NSA contractor Edward Snowden.

With each leak, American soft power haemorrhages, and hard power threatens to seep away with it.

At the summit level, deal-making is personal. Now that the US under Obama has acknowledged it cannot act alone on the world stage, relationships between leaders can make the difference between success and failure. The recent wrangling over Syria in the UN security council is a recent and vivid illustration.

Yet nothing could be more personal for a foreign leader than to find their own mobile phones tapped by a nation they considered an essential friend and ally. That appears to be the case for Angela Merkel, as it has been for Mexico's Enrique Peña Nieto. The other humiliating phone call of the week was on Monday with François Hollande, whose phone was not bugged as far as he knew, but who demanded an explanation for the revelation – once more from the Snowden files – that the NSA had been recording tens of millions of French phone calls a month. The White House was forced to admit that the evidence raised "legitimate questions for our friends and allies".

Top of that list of questions is what exactly does it mean to be an American ally in the 21st century. Germany and France are Nato partners. Their soldiers have fought and died alongside American troops in Afghanistan. Mexico is fighting a bloody battle with drug cartels with America and on its behalf.

The Brazilian president, Dilma Rousseff, whose phone was also monitored by the NSA, was an American critic but by no means an adversary.

The same sort of questions are being asked of Britain, after the Guardian revealed that GCHQ spied on the delegations the UK had invited to the lavishly staged G20 summit in London. It turned out that the handy internet cafe laid on for foreign diplomats had been rigged up specifically so that GCHQ could read outgoing emails. Among the targets were the finance minister and other officials from Turkey, another Nato ally that considered Britain to be its closest friend in Europe, and a close partner over Syria. Turkish officials say their faith in the UK is now far more guarded.

Belgium, another old ally, found evidence its main telecoms provider, Belgacom, had undergone a powerful cyber attack apparently from GCHQ, in a scheme codenamed Operation Socialist aimed at "better exploitation" of Belgian communications.

It is clear from the trove of documents leaked by Snowden that the only protection against NSA or GCHQ intrusion is membership of Five Eyes: the US, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.

New members do not seem to be welcome, and the lesson is that outside that tight circle, it does not matter how senior you are, and how close a friend you think you are to Washington or London, your communications could easily be being shared among the handful of white, English-speaking nations with membership privileges.

So far, most of the damage sustained by the US and UK has been reputational and rhetorical. Some of the accusers, Hollande in particular, are well aware that their own intelligence services are up to the same tricks, if not quite so adept and well-equipped. Essential national interests demand that the core relationship is maintained.

But there are signs too of deeper damage. Rousseff is calling for the constructional of a national internet infrastructure that would lock out US-based corporations, and is trying to rally other emerging powers to the cause.

The European parliament, meanwhile, has this week passed legislation, restricting the ability of US telecoms firms to export European user data to the US, on pain of swingeing fines. Thanks to Snowden, the advantages offered by American technological dominance and Britain's position as European gateway to the world's fibre-optic cables, are beginning to turn into burdens through overuse.

 

Five eyes plus Israel, whom we outsource the petabytes of raw data.

Which makes you think, do we have an expertise shortage? Probably not. The spymasters probably don't even care about what the israelis do with the info. It's more likely of a trust issue of having snowden-like whistle blowers within their ranks.

Very conspiracy level thinking right there, but it always goes back to who the **** are they trying to protect and what are they exploiting from the excess of that power and authority.

This is Nixon-esque privilege that currently has no rein.