Carville: 'Ted Cruz Is the Most Talented, Fearless Republican Politician I’ve Seen in 30 Years'

Unable to explain position. Rendered virtually speechless.

Telling.

 

He has yet to explain how Cruz can become President if he was not a naturally born US citizen. Surely, if untold numbers of words have been spouted by Mr. texxx regarding President Obama's place of birth, and its impact on his eligibility to be President, he can spare a few of his valuable sentences to explain just how Cruz qualifies as a naturally born US citizen. Cruz is a man born in Canada to a Cuban father, and an American mother. He became a Canadian the moment he popped out of his mother's womb. Unlike Senator McCain, who was born to an American father and an American mother in a US possession at the time, the Panama Canal Zone, Cruz is an different kettle of fish entirely. A Canadian fish who came to this country at the age of 4. Having lived here since does no more to make him a naturally born American than a kid born in Mexico to a Mexican mother, and an American father, and brought to the United States at the age of 4 by his parents.

It's a matter of law... or does the law not apply, in this case, because the gentleman in question happens to be a "tea party" Republican with aspirations to be President off the United States? And I am not speaking to how "fair" this matter of law may or may not be. Frankly, it troubles me, but the fact remains, never the less. Mr. Cruz is not a naturally born US citizen. No amount of chest thumping by Mr. Cruz and his supporters is going to change that.

 

you're trying to oversimplify by focusing on location of birth

 

and his real last name is cruise, he just went with cruz cause it sounded cooler.

 

You are not answering the question. Your remark is nonsensical, with all due respect.

 

what question?

 

bigotexxx and bobbymar aren't equipped to engage in any real debate or answer any real questions so I'll answer them.

Children born overseas to married parents

The following conditions affect children born outside the U.S. and its outlying possessions to married parents (special conditions affect children born out of wedlock: see below):[7]

If both parents are U.S. citizens, the child is a citizen if either of the parents has ever had a residence in the U.S. prior to the child's birth

If one parent is a U.S. citizen and the other parent is a U.S. national, the child is a citizen if the U.S. citizen parent has lived in the U.S. for a continuous period of at least one year prior to the child's birth

If one parent is a U.S. citizen and the other parent is not, the child is a citizen if the U.S. citizen parent has been "physically present"[8] in the U.S. before the child's birth for a total period of at least five years, and at least two of those five years were after the U.S. citizen parent's fourteenth birthday.[9]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthright_citizenship_in_the_United_States

Children born overseas out of wedlock

There is an asymmetry in the way citizenship status of children born overseas to unmarried parents, only one of whom is a U.S. citizen, is handled.

Title 8 U.S.C. § 1409 paragraph (c) provides that children born abroad after December 24, 1952 to unmarried American mothers are U.S. citizens, as long as the mother has lived in the U.S. for a continuous period of at least one year at any time prior to the birth.

8 U.S.C. § 1409 paragraph (a) provides that children born to American fathers unmarried to the children's non-American mothers are considered U.S. citizens only if the father meets the "physical presence" conditions described above, and the father takes several actions:

Unless deceased, has agreed to provide financial support to the child until he reaches 18,

Establish paternity by clear and convincing evidence and, while the person is under the age of 18 years the person is legitimated under the law of the person’s residence or domicile,

the father acknowledges paternity of the person in writing under oath,

or the paternity of the person is established by adjudication of a competent court.

8 U.S.C. § 1409 paragraph (a) provides that acknowledgment of paternity can be shown by acknowledging paternity under oath and in writing; having the issue adjudicated by a court; or having the child otherwise "legitimated" by law.

Because of this rule, unusual cases have arisen whereby children have been fathered by American men overseas from non-American women, brought back to the United States as babies without the mother, raised by the American father in the United States, and later held to be deportable as non-citizens in their 20s.[10][11] The final element has taken an especially significant importance in these circumstances, as once the child has reached 18, the father is forever unable to establish paternity to deem his child a citizen.[12]

This distinction between unwed American fathers and American mothers was constructed and reaffirmed by Congress out of concern that a flood of illegitimate Korean and Vietnamese children would later claim American citizenship as a result of their parentage by American servicemen overseas fighting wars in their countries.[13] In many cases, American servicemen passing through in wartime may not have even learned they had fathered a child.[13] In 2001, the Supreme Court, by 5–4 majority in Nguyen v. INS, first established the constitutionality of this gender distinction.[10][11]

 

As I said before, I have no problem with the GOP candidate for president being born in Canada to a communist father. Sounds like a maverick ready to go rogue.

I present the same question to bigtexxx and blobmarley...

Would you support a GOP candidate for president that was born in Canada to a communitst father?

 

I consider Mr. Cruz an unnatural American.

 

The quoted section on acquired citizenship is referring to the law in place applying to births after 11/14/1986, I believe. Ted Cruz was born in 1970 so he would be subject to the previous requirements affecting births from 12/24/1952 to 11/14/1986, which required that the USC parent have resided in the US or its possessions for 10 years at least 5 of which were after age 14.

These are slightly more stringent requirements, but I'm sure he still meets them. He is a US citizen by acquisition, but that doesn't answer the question of whether he meets the constitutional requirements to be president. If we read it by an originalist perspective a la Scalia or Thomas, then we would say he is ineligible. If we read it as we should: as a living document that must be changed to meet the needs of our times, then he should be allowed to run.

If you believe he should be able to be president, welcome to the living constitution camp of constitutional interpretation.

 

Let us henceforth know him as...

Spoiler

Tead Crüz

 

I tried! Ha

Anyone know anything about his mom? His father being a Cuban Communist is obviously troubling.

 

Now he wants to shut down government...

Sounds pretty communist to me.

 

I wonder if Texans know they elected a foreign born son of a Communist? Hmm...

 

If Hitler were alive and was anti-Obama would Texas elect him? Prolz

 

His father fought against the dictatorial Batista regime as a young man, and later came to realize Castro was no better. To call him a communist (much less his son) makes no sense given the ideology they have been advocating.

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So what are you saying here? Please enlighten us Texans.