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Rockets wrapping up deal with Ronnie Brewer

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Swishh, Aug 19, 2013.

  1. J.R.

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    Ronnie Brewer has never been a (good) three-point shooter.
     
  2. J.R.

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    Sure he can be a one-way player.
     
  3. tallanvor

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    If Brewer is to play absolutely 0 offense as u suggest then that is relevant. Need to know how much we are trading off.
     
  4. Joe Joe

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    His defense 2 years ago was about 0.5 Asiks. Last year, it was closer to 0.1 Asiks. It has been a few years since his offense did not suck enough to make him a below average player.
     
  5. Joe Joe

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    I tend to think Brewer won't be good enough defensively to offset how bad he is offensively. I think the same could be said in reverse about Williams.
     
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    I think we are struggling with the concept of "situational".

    If the other team has an elite wing, we need someone to throw at them. Between Lin, Harden, Parsons, and Howard, we have enough offense (in most cases) to carry us.
     
  7. RedDynasty

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    Which is exactly why Casspi should be lucky number 13.
     
  8. tallanvor

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    I think most people are struggling with understanding that how much you lose on offense is just as relevant as how much you gain on defense when assessing Brewer's worth.
     
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    Casspi can make the team easy if he can grab a few rebounds and make couple of the 3s.

    Small ball rules
     
  10. jscmedia

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    Morey is just such a wizard. From let the Kids Play to Watch out NBA in 1 year.
     
  11. Aruba77

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    Morey's likely just kicking the tires. Another camp body that does one thing particularly well. If he can regain his defensive prowus from a couple years ago, he can play a roll on this team guarding 2s and 3s. I like the pickup, especially for the minimum.
     
  12. rogower

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    I think a lot of Rockets fans somehow fail to realize the extent to which the Daryl Morey team relies on advanced stats, which sometimes flies in the face of conventional wisdom. All of these veterans who are being signed to minimum salary deals are perceived to be good but grossly undervalued ballplayers. Advanced stats reveal that Ronnie Brewer was actually pretty good last season. Brewer has a better chance than you think of being a rotation player this season. Same deal with Omri Casspi.

    Compare these Rockets additions to those made by other teams. Some teams are just embarrassing themselves. The Lakers' offseason additions, for example, are laughable.

    Another fact that many Rockets fans seem to be missing is that Houston is going for it this season. They aren't hoping to win a championship two years down the line. They are trying to win one this year, and the next year, and the year after that. You win championships with a couple of superstars and a bunch of really good role players. The Rockets have been scooping up really good role player after really good role player this offseason.

    If the Rockets can pry Ersan Ilyasova away from Milwaukee for a Jeremy Lin-Donatas Motiejunas package, then I am probably going to pick this team to win a championship this season. [Advanced stats suggest Patrick Beverly is the better PG, and I think Isaiah Canaan establishes himself as a very good backup PG this season, not 1-2 years from now.] That's how close this roster is to being the best roster in the league. Compare Miami's 4-15 guys on their roster to Houston's. My god, there is no comparison.
     
  13. Voice of Aus

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    actaully Ronnie had a down year on some key advanced stats. Everyone realises his shooting isnt somethign you pay for when you get Ronnie however he had his lowest eFG% and TS% in the last 3 years (i didnt go back any further). The only advanced stat that imprved was his defensive rating however i have voiced my concern with Defensive rating as all you have to look at is
    ronnie brewer 2012-2013 rating 103
    James harden 2012-2013 rating 104.4
    Thus proving that this advanced stat is flawed in some examples

    Also when you touch on JLIN vs Bev on advanced stats all you have to look at is http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=242380 which shows that both shined in certain aspects in advanced stats, so to just flat out say Bev is clearly better is a little ignorant. if im Morey then im backing Lin over Bev.

    Hope this helps clear up and makes you think twice about your argument, the only thing we agree upon is that if we get Ersan then i would pick us for the championship however, i wouldn't want to trade Lin, Asik or future picks for him so this trade to me wont happen this year lol.
     
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    I dont disagree that signing Brewer/Casspi is a good bet, but which advanced stats say they had a good 12-13 season?
     
  15. rogower

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    I feel pretty comfortable with the stats at the Wages of Wins website although I don't completely trust them.

    My main point is that Morey's team is relying on its own model, with the aid of scouting, although I may not have actually said that (sorry). And their model tells them that these guys are all pretty good and can be good role players for a championship contender.

    I would go so far as to say that Morey's team identified a number of 2013 free agents months and months ago (last winter?) who were grossly undervalued and who they aimed to sign to minimum salary deals, and that you're seeing several of these guys getting signed this offseason. What Morey is doing is exploiting an inefficiency, specifically, the fact that pretty much all other teams are lousy at all of this stuff. Again, what the hell are the Lakers doing? It's like they're being managed by a teenager!

    What is especially interesting is that a guy like Omri Casspi probably makes either Terrence Jones or Donatas Motiejunas expendable. This means that Morey can add one of these guys with, say, Jeremy Lin as sweetener in a trade for, say, Ersan Ilyasova. And Lin himself was (as far as I'm concerned) rendered expendable by this same process, when the Morey team identified Patrick Beverly as a really good ballplayer. In a roundabout way, the Rockets would be getting Ilyasova for free, thanks to their excellent player evaluation process.
     
  16. PeppermintCandy

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    How is Brewer's passing? Even if his shooting is unreliable, he can still be an effective cog in the offense if he knows how to move the ball and move without the ball.
     
  17. damunkster

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    that was corey brewer this is ronnie brewer
     
  18. YaosDirtyStache

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    sir, not sure if youre being ironic but he played for the Jazz for like 5 years.
     
  19. damunkster

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    my bad forgot he was there
     
  20. Voice of Aus

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    Ronnie was picked up with the 14th pick for the Wait for it JAZZ, in which he played their from 2006-2010.
     

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