CDC Study Ordered by Obama Contradicts White House Anti-gun Narrative

So, when is the last time a president has announced findings? Its usually up to the organization that conducted that research to share findings.

 

Oh the hell it wasn't bull****.

 

Except, Bush didn't stop playing golf.

 

Is it really that important if a president golfs? While I am a huge critic of Obama, I certainly don't hold it against him that he takes some time off and relaxes.

 

(1) Yes!
(2) Really? They've been an incredibly reliable source of information for public health, for a long time. It is actually housed within the military, FWIW.
(3) I shouldn't ask this, but ... where do you like to go for your scientific information, if you're automatically dismissing the CDC, NIH, NSF, DARPA, NIST, and the National Academies of Science?

 

I've been thinking about this issue a lot lately, and it seems to me that technology will eventually give everyone what they want, some sort of stun weapon that is non lethal but has decent range and multiple shots.

 

The Creation Museum.

B-Bob take a virtual tour and prepare to believe.

 

Still, 14K homicides with guns is pretty high. and there is this tidbit which is a bit puzzling in the report:

I don't if gun control can stem gun violence at this point...so many guns out there. But 14k homicides is still way too many

 

The problem with this is that your source simply lied to you. Of course, because you want to believe it, you just ran with it instead of vetting an obviously biased source.

The study has not been completed. What has been completed is a list of the research items to focus the study on. Your first clue to this should have been the fact that a broad study wouldn't be commissioned from scratch and completed in less than 6 months. Here's the actual source:

http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=18319

The CDC and the CDC Foundation asked the IOM, in collaboration with the National Research Council, to convene a committee tasked with developing a potential research agenda that focuses on the causes of, possible interventions to, and strategies to minimize the burden of firearm-related violence. Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence focuses on the characteristics of firearm violence, risk and protective factors, interventions and strategies, the impact of gun safety technology, and the influence of video games and other media.

Notice that what that 120 page report is about is selecting the "priorities to research". You really need to find new sources.

 

You're incredibly ignorant. Conservatives have bent over backwards to stop research on gun violence. Of course research in general not done by the Heritage Foundation is liberally biased.

Derp derp derp



NRA, Congress stymied CDC gun research budget
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57564599/nra-congress-stymied-cdc-gun-research-budget/

(CBS News) On Monday, President Obama ordered the Centers for Disease Control to begin research on the causes of gun violence. That was something that Congress specifically prevented the CDC from doing.

"There is absolutely no question. These are preventable deaths," said Dr. Mark Rosenberg, who used to oversee research into gun violence and prevention at the Centers for Disease Control.

In 1996, the NRA successfully lobbied Congress to put this restriction into the CDC's budget: "None of the funds made available ... may be used to advocate or promote gun control."

"These were shots fired across the bow," said Rosenberg, "and they the terrorized people at the CDC. And they terrorized researchers who said, 'Whoa, this is scary. I don't want my funding jeopardized.'"

The NRA was infuriated with a 1993 study sponsored by the CDC that concluded having a gun at home offered little protection, but it increased almost three-fold the risk of one family member shooting another.

CDC funding into gun violence research has plummeted 96 percent since 1996, to just $100,000 of last year's $5.6 billion CDC budget.

Asked if gun violence a legitimate public health issue Bob Barr, a former Georgia congressman who sits on the board of the NRA, responded, "Absolutely not."

Barr added: "The issue of firearms violence is handled and ought to be handled as a law enforcement matter. We don't need government involved in this. It is all about the big C: control."

The next step is up to Congress whether to approve President Obama's request for $10 million to study this issue of gun violence.

 

Why shouldn't u ask this?

To answer your question I read varying opinions and weed through the bull**** myself(what everyone does). Usually you don't need to be an expert in the field to figure out who performed bad science and jumped to bad conclusions. Government agencies are crippled by the fact that even if they get most things wrong the agency will still receive funding and continue to exist. Therefore they have less of an incentive to get things right and I put little stock in them.

He stopped playing while he was Commander in Chief in 2003. If you are talking about him playing golf after he retired, then sure you may be right but who cares?

 

Bush claimed to have given up golf out of respect for the troops and their families, which was a nice sentiment. But as is often the case, "truthiness" wasn't always his strong suit. He points to an August UN bombing as the catalyst for his decision, but he played golf well into October. And there are skeptics that also believe the timing of his gesture coincided with a knee problem he was having in the later parts of 2003 (which also coincided with his giving up running, and taking up mountain biking at Crawford Ranch):

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2008/05/14/23280/bushs-golf-story-doesnt-hold-water/

http://crooksandliars.com/2008/05/14/ultimate-sacrifice-bush-quit-golf-for-the-troops

And perhaps he was also advised after the post Afghanistan "watch this drive" embarrassment.

http://mediamatters.org/research/2010/02/04/hannity-falsely-claims-bush-did-not-play-golf-w/160033

Honestly, I don't begrudge any President golfing, running, mountain biking, bowling or any other recreation. Its the most stressful job in America and unlike most other jobs there is no "off switch".

 

Agreed. I don't think any head of state has real vacations. Even if they are golfing, they are probably still talking to advisors and "working". I personally don't care what sports a president plays or how often. And in any case, I don't think anyone golfed more than Gerald Ford.

 

Yes, I like to mix the lessons of that one with those gleaned from The Museum of Jurassic Technology.

Then I just kind of weed through it myself and decide what is bull**** and what is good science.

 

Excellent point -- I agree that helps when mentally digesting so much knowledge.

 

Obama also buries political opponents that don't follow his narrative... permanently.

 

Are you smoking tree out of the Creation Orchard again?

 

I smoked some trees, ate some ribs, and had an apple for dessert.