Support for repealing Obamacare plunges to an all time low.

Yup, had to deal with them with one of my buddy's funerals. Luckily, they were blocked off well enough were the family couldn't see them.

 

The way some conservatives couch it, federal regulation is the end-all be-all of evil, that has caused, among other things, 2008, general misery, and the destruction of black America etc.

others on this very forum basically ridicule the notion of environmental stewardship.

It really depends on your point of view---and let's just say you're departing from a reasonable centrist one.

 

Wow, *really*?

So now you're painting conservatism with the Westboro brush?

I am pretty sure that they have their own corner table reserved in Extremist Wacko Hell, and not a single Liberal or Conservative Demon wants to have a drink with them.

 

Wise words Mr congressman.


Adam Kinzinger: Defunding Obamacare Will Cost Republicans House Majority

Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.) warned his colleagues Wednesday that shutting down the government over Obamacare might cost Republicans the House majority in 2014.

Speaking at an event hosted by the Illinois chapter of Americans For Prosperity, Kinzinger explained at length why he felt a faction of conservatives in both the House and Senate were wrong to suggest that a continuing resolution -- which would keep the federal government open past Sept. 30 -- should be blocked if it includes funding for the Affordable Care Act.

"Potentially there will be a collapse of will to keep the government shut down because soldiers are not getting paid, and all this other stuff’s happening, and we turn around and lose 10-20 seats in 2014," Kinzinger said. "And whether we win the battle or not, we’ve lost the war because Nancy Pelosi’s speaker of the House."

"This is not a disagreement on defunding Obamacare. This is not a disagreement on whether or not we hate the health care bill," he added. "This is a disagreement on tactics in terms of what is the best way to ensure that in the future we can repeal this law without bringing down the American economy or bringing down the Republican majority in the House."

Kinzinger faced pushback from one attendee, who argued that this was the last chance for Republicans to dismantle the health care law, and that the party was supporting it by "giving it money."

"I totally respect your position on this," the congressman responded. "[But] I don’t think the defunding thing is going to work, and I think we are going to lose the House in 2014, potentially."

But one attendee, who was identified in the YouTube video of the speech as Ted McCarron of the DeKalb County Illinois Tea Party, was unconvinced, prompting Kinzinger to put the political price of a government shutdown into perspective.

"We shut down the federal government ... Soldiers are not getting their paychecks," he said, before pointing out that President Barack Obama would never sign a measure into law that defunds his signature policy achievement. "So what would happen? What happens is we pass it without the funding, the Senate takes it, amends the bill to include the funding, and sends it right back to us and then it's on our doorstep."

"What I'm telling you is going to happen, I fear, is that ultimately at the end of the day, we can hold out -- let's hold out until December," Kinzinger continued. "Now troops haven't been paid for two months, three months. Obama will stand up and say, 'Sorry you're not getting your paycheck.' The public is massively turning against us saying, 'Jesus, it's the law of the land -- now I see why it's not working, because Republicans have been obstinate on this.'"

When the same attendee asked Kinzinger why the president would not be blamed for the shutdown, the congressman shot back, "If Congress has a 13 percent approval rating, do you think we can win that one?"

 

None of what you posted is at all relevant to the context of my post or the post to which I was responding.

 

More push back from republican constituents. This is wonderful to see!

GOP Congressman Gets Fact Checked By His Own Constituents On Obamacare: ‘Stop Lying!’

Daniel Webster (R-FL) was responding to several constituents’ questions about the consequences that repealing Obamacare — which House Republicans, including Webster, have voted to do on 40 separate occasions — would have for the people in his district. Attendees asked Webster if he had any plans to replace consumer protections included in Obamacare, such as guaranteed insurance coverage for Americans with pre-existing medical conditions and free preventative health screenings for seniors:

QUESTIONER: What happens to us when Obamacare is repealed? What happens to people with pre-existing conditions that can’t get health care? What happens to those of us who finally have access to health insurance for the first time in nine or ten years? What happens to us? And you want to make this local, I’ll make this local. I’m a constituent, right now I can’t get health care. I’m waiting for this [insurance marketplace] to open and I’d like to know why we keep repealing [Obamacare]?

The congressman defended his repeal votes by saying the law would drive up Americans’ health care costs by requiring insurers to cover people with pre-existing conditions. He then claimed that President Barack Obama himself thinks his signature law is unworkable. As evidence, Webster implied that the law’s protections — such as its cap on consumers’ annual out-of-pocket medical costs — were being dismantled by the Obama administration. That prompted an outcry from the audience, as people booed and countered Webster’s claims.

An event official interrupted at that point, asking the audience to be respectful and give Webster a chance to speak. One audience member replied by saying, “Well, tell him to stop lying!”

 

I guess the corporations part is interesting, but I really have no desire for any conservative or liberal politician, administrator or jurist to be in medical straits when they're busy running the country; or even in retirement afterwards.

 

The proper response would have been just to point out that none of it is true.

 

What does anyone know about this guy:

http://youtu.be/3vs4HboJuz8

 

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=242751
http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=239335

Notably pro-witch-doctor.
http://www.slate.com/articles/healt...en_elbert_guillory_defends_faith_healing.html

 

From Mr. Obama's Saturday morning weekly radio address to the nation.

 

your inference of what is benign or not departs from your centrist view.

The point being that it is hard to infer good vs evil when government regulation is seen as such an evil in certain circles, just as an example.

 

More good news on Obamacare


States predict more insurance customers


WASHINGTON — Estimates from 19 states operating health insurance exchanges to help the uninsured find coverage show that at least 8.5 million will use the exchanges to buy insurance, a USA TODAY survey shows. That would far outstrip the federal government's estimate of 7 million new customers for all 50 states under the 2010 health care law.

 

If it weren't true then that would certainly be the proper response. It isn't.

I've already posted several links evidencing this in this thread alone.

 

No its not true unless you want to continue living in a fantasy world.

Seriously its not hard to understand. Large organizations/corporations (groups with 50 or more employees) ARE NOT ALLOWED to fund health insurance through insurance exchanges. Exchanges are designed for individuals or small businesses to purchase insurance.

The ACA mandated that members of Congress and their staff use insurance exchanges but since Congress isn't allowed to pay for the insurance of members and their staff, those people would be forced to pay out of pocket for everything.

Now you may say something dismissive like, oh.. members of Congress should have to pay for it out of pocket. But the reality is that the staff members of Congress including the legislative correspondents or staff assistants making 30k a year in DC of all places can't afford that. And more over, they joined the staff under the assumption that health insurance was a benefit that came with the job (which it has been until the mandate on Congress goes into effect)

But its been a nice and funny talking point on the right. All the Office of Personnel Management did was clarify that the federal government could make contributions towards the premiums of members of Congress and their staff when purchasing on the exchange.

Only in your bizarro lunatic world can that somehow mean that "members of Congress" are exempt from the ACA. Quite the opposite actually since members of Congress and their staff ARE THE ONLY GROUP IN THE US mandated to use the insurance exchange and that did not change.

 

No, it's not true. None of those people are exempt from Obamacare. It's pretty simple.

 

Correct, none of them are exempt. This was bought up years ago and still not dead. Whoever and whatever source continue to say they are exempt are either misinformed or purposely lying to continue to misinform.

 

But...but Ted Cruz insists Reid went to Obama begging to let congress out of the law!

How could Ted be so misinformed?