Three-strikes policy: Egypt military fires AGAIN on unarmed civilians and now reporters.

It's not a personal attack, it's a true statement of fact, in that case.

 

Let me address it:

You are an idiot.

There.

 

I wouldn't be surprised to see things start to calm down. The leadership on both sides has to be uncomfortable where things are going. I am actually surprised the opposition supported a coup instead of waiting until the next elections and capitalising on the MB's growing unpopularity.

So they have a mess, because it is no longer about restoring democracy, but about the military ever truly relenting control. Who has power right now? Not the MB, and not the opposition. In other words, Egypt might be right back where it started.

The MB has to be careful about inciting too much violence as it is giving the military more and more power. So I do think they will realize this and let things calm down and find another way back into power.

 

I'm sure you value simplicity, Muslim Brotherhoold all the same and all very bad, nuff said, but nonetheless.

Not all members of the Muslim Brothehood are the same. Some can be worked wrth.

Eventually the Brotherhood or the their supporters will have to be incorporated into Egyptian society or the only alternative is a brutal dictatorship to suppress them or to completely destroy them in a prolonged civil war.

If the secularists choose the brutal military dictatorship just to suppress the Muslim Brotherhood they will be subjected to repression also just like under Mubarak.

The secularists need the Brotherhood and vice versa.

I think that it is reasonable to think that some parts of the Muslim Brotherhood have learned from their time in office.

 

I am not leaving. I will continue to point out how you are embarrassing yourself.

 

ATW your obsession with Muslims makes you unable to see how you have almost always been pwned by Northside. At least what should be your embarrassment can be entertaining.

 

For those desiring some of the best analysis of the Egyptian situation which is devoid of irrational anti-Muslim bias and also the propaganda treatment that saturates mainstream US media, Juancole.com is great.

A portion of a recent post by him.

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Egypt’s Waco

Posted on 08/16/2013 by Juan Cole
Within Egypt, and in many other Arab countries, the shocking killings of Black Wednesday have elicited horror in many quarters, but have actually been supported in many others. I am in the horrified camp, and ask myself how in the world people can be indifferent to or even justified what the Egyptian military did....



Those anti-Muslim Brotherhood Egyptians and Arabs who feel little sympathy for the victims typically depict the Brotherhood as a violent cult stockpiling weapons and kidnapping and torturing people. That is, they speak about the sit-ins in Giza and Nasr City the way the Clinton administration spoke of the Waco cult of Branch Davidians, which US law enforcement besieged and attacked in winter of 1993. Just as the Branch Davidians were depicted as closed, cultish, deviant, violent stockpilers of weapons, so that is increasingly the language used about the Muslim Brotherhood by their critics in the region.

President Clinton blamed them for the fires that killed members during the FBI assault, including children. I should underline that the Muslim Brotherhood is a major group in Egypt and not in fact analogous to a small cult like the Branch Davidians. I’m just talking about the attitude to them among the military, the old Mubarak elite and even the Rebellion or Tamarrud youth spokespeople, who led the effort to unseat Muhammad Morsi.

These observers are struck not by the body count but by what they call the clear evidence of weapons stockpiles at the sit-ins.

It is true that on Wednesday and Thursday, Muslim Brotherhood cadres did deploy firearms against the police, killing some 50 of them. There was a report of the Brotherhood actually using mortar rounds against a police station in the upper Egyptian city of Asyut. Euronews reports that Brotherhood attackers took over the governorate offices of Giza with firearms and then burned it (see also RT :



Brotherhood cadres have also burned down at least 12 Coptic Christian churches and attacked 28 others in the past two days, as well as shooting dead at least 3 random Christians. They blame the Copts for supporting the coup against Morsi, though the Copts as a minority of 10% of the population are powerless and hardly conducted the coup.

But such violence (inexcusable as it is, especially toward innocent Christians) is an outcome of the coup and of the dispersal of their protests, and was not typical of the movement in the past 3 decades.

According to opinion polling, some 57% of Egyptians either felt that the Brotherhood protesters at the sit-ins were terrorists or included terrorists among them. Only about a fifth sympathized with them. Nearly two-thirds wanted the sit-ins broken up “immediately” (though they mostly preferred it be done “peacefully.” These findings are shocking, since the mainstream of the Muslim Brotherhood gave up violence in the 1970s and has been participating in parliamentary elections (even though until 2011 they were known to be rigged) since them.

Moreover, I suspect that these attitudes stem from the past year of Brotherhood rule, since Gallup found that in early 2012 some 60% of Egyptians had a favorable view of the Brotherhood, which fell to 19% in early June, 2013. Morsi’s violent crushing of protests against his constitutional decree of November, 2012 putting himself above the law, including the alleged deployment of Brotherhood paramilitary against the New Left youth crowds, seems to have been a major turning point in shaping images of the movement.

The Tamarrud or Rebellion movement of Mahmoud Badr and others had actually forwarded a memo to the United Nations asking them to designate the Muslim Brotherhood as an international terrorist organization.

A splinter group of the Muslim Brotherhood, “The Brotherhood without Violence” is also making wild charges that the inner circles of the Brotherhood leadership are planning a bloody campaign of violent reprisals.

It is not only Egypt. The Kuwaiti newspaper al-Siyasa headlined on Thursday after the bloody events, “Egypt breaks up Sit-in of the Brotherhood of Terror,” saying the long-suffering Egyptian people had awaited the end of this nightmare of the Muslim Brotherhood, which had turned city squares into armed camps.

Entertainment stars even got into the action. Asked about the car bomb in a Shiite neighborhood of Beirut that killed 18 on Thursday and the events in Cairo, diva Haifa Wahba expressed anguish at the region’s terrorism problem and asked God to “save us from those cannibals and from blind hatred.” I think she was referring to the perpetrators of the car bomb, but in the general context some people in the region read her as denouncing the Muslim Brotherhood as cannibals along with the violent Sunni extremists of Beirut. (Haifa is from a mixed Shiite and Christian background, and is known for steamy music videos, so Sunni fundamentalism would certainly not like her very much).

It should just be pointed out that the far Right in the US considered Waco an unjustifiable massacre, and that the Oklahoma City bombing of the Federal building, among the worst instances of domestic terrorism in US history, came about in part as a reaction to it

 

The people who are suffering most from the Muslim Brotherhood - other than the Copts - are Muslims. I am siding with those Muslims who build a human wall around a church against these thugs. I see you are choosing to side with the thugs, like Northside Dorkendom.

 

I already addressed it ten times. How dense can you possibly be? Even if they pay lip service to those who want to hear it - and even that is part of mixed messages, where incitement of violence already shines through, as I have shown - the actions of their followers speak louder than words - and these actions are incited by their leaders.

Are you really this stupid or are you just trolling? How is saying that isolated statements of wanting to be "peaceful" (while turning around and telling the followers to fight to the death) are lip service in any way "in contention to the statement that the Muslim Brotherhood is dangerous"? Don't you see the obvious logical fallacy in your statement? It's mind-boggling.

Do you think that burning down 40 churches, burning down government buildings, murdering people left and right is NOT incited by the leaders? These people are acting as part of an organization that has a strict, paramilitary structure. Please read up on the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. You are obviously very uninformed.

I have already quoted numerous sources, shown images, shown videos clearly proving that in contrast to your whiny, holier-than-thou posts, the Muslim Brotherhood thugs that were fired on were NOT unarmed. That the military/police probably went overboard in their reaction to the terrorists' aggression is something that was premeditated by the Muslim Brotherhood leaders. That is exactly what they wanted. Islamist leaders love nothing more than sacrificing their lemmings, so they can play the martyr card.

 

Was anyone stuck in traffic by the Galleria area right now? There's a protest causing major traffic pain near Westheimer and Chimney Rock. I saw Egyptian flags in my peripheral. No idea if they were pro or anti MB.

 

What am I missing exactly? The MB is basically a dressed up Hezbollah. They could go ape **** at any moment and start murdering Egyptians at will. Everyone knows, including the Egyptians, that MB in power is a gigantic problem. So the military is cleaning house of these crazies. And?

 

They ARE saying it. Your ridiculous twists and turns make zero sense. Even if you try to restrict it to what they are saying about violence AGAINST THEIR OWN (as opposed to their obvious statements about Israel) and if you restrict it to what they say TO THE PUBLIC (as opposed to what they are obviously saying to their followers) - even then, they are saying they will use force and fight to the death "if necessary". How is that a peaceful message? And - actions speak louder than words.

Your desperate attempts to defend an opinion you started out with, when you obviously know nothing about Egypt and the Muslim Brotherhood, not knowing the leaders, not knowing their statements, not knowing their history, but painting them as some Gandhi-like peaceniks are there for everyone to see. Just stop embarrassing yourself. Even people who would usually agree with you are not coming to your rescue (other than lunatic glynch).

Millions of peace-desiring Muslims and Copts in Egypt are shaking their heads at you.

That statement is so ludicrous, you should really just shut up.

 

Your previous post doesn't make any sense. At all. I'll leave it to others to ignore it or to point it out. Several people have tried. You are either just not getting it or somehow desperately trying to save face, when everyone can see that you don't have the slightest clue what you are talking about.