False, they are slow walking through the House. They won't agree to an omnibus bill. Also, the Senate's bill is unconstitutional, which is why it hasn't arrived at the House Parliamentarian.
Many of them are paid under the table, and do not report these taxes. Those who do pay taxes, are committing fraud, using stolen SS#s and falsified identification cards.
And many of those using ITIN are claiming children who either don't exist, or don't live in this country through the Additional Child Tax Credit. This is a multi-billion dollar tax scheme that is draining our system. People claiming 10 or 12 kids who don't even live in this country.
What you're accusing trueroxfan could be used toward ANYONE. Lots of people want cash but it's up to their EMPLOYER to file W-2s not the worker. Most of the time that's while employers don't do it. They want to skirt taxes. Stolen SS#? What benefit other than working does this give them? They won't be able to collect the money they put into the system. You do know you can't claim 10 or 8 or 6 kids on your taxes for benefits? There is a racket claiming extra kids but it's not because of illegals. Non Latinos do it too and get caught after a few years. Your claims are groundless and blatantly bias. Fraud is a problem with every race and legal status.
Under that reasoning though that makes you as much a criminal as they are since you have admitted to breaking laws. You argue against the semantics of the classification for immigration offenses yet defend yourself with the semantics of traffic violations. If you say that breaking the law is a crime, committing a crime makes you a criminal then you are a criminal.
While using false SSI numbers is an illegal tax scheme it actually isn't draining our system but shoring it up. The more people that pay into SSI who don't collect just makes it more solvent. This has been debated before but there is little evidence that undocumented immigrants are draining the country. While there are some localized problems in many aspects they are a benefit.
Not according to IRS Inspector General Russell George. $4 billion in fraud from this tax provision alone, 2 million illegal immigrants benefiting from it and the IRS isn't doing a thing. If we consider a driving infraction a crime, than I was a criminal. I paid my fine, took my class, and now I am no longer a criminal. I wouldn't consider someone who has finished their jail sentence and probation period a criminal. These illegal immigrants are criminals until they have paid their dues, and what is the punishment for entering and remaining here illegally? Deportation. Deport those who knew what they were doing was wrong, and force them to follow the same process everyone else is required to go through. 4 billion dollars in this Child Tax Credit scheme alone. And while yes, having a SS number would be putting money into the SS system, it doesn't help us pay for all the other benefits they are able to claim with their stolen and fraudulent documents.
As has been outlined to you numerous times, none of these things is necessarily a crime in most circumstances and do not render the actor criminal. It's a simple as that, and you're just dead flat wrong to suggest otherwise as has been described at length by folks who are way better informed than you. Another lapse in your inherent knowledge is your point about tax evasion - actually most immigrants with fake documentation overpay their share of FICA/federal income taxes (why do you think they have fake documents in the first place, sherlock? Cause they look cool?)
That's just wrong, Sam. You can continue to tell me you are better informed, but you are still wrong. Some pay income taxes via ITIN, and some who a stolen SS# are contributing to SS, but they aren't all doing this, and it definitely is bleeding more money than bringing in. And they do continue to rip off the federal government by falsifying returns that say they have children who do not even live in this country, a requirement to receive the deduction. Some families were receiving as much as $30,000 and didn't have a single child in the room, these were ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. The IRS Inspector General admitted so himself at a cost of 4 BILLION dollars a year. And again, many of them are committing additional crimes using forged documents (felony), and identity theft (felony), so even if they ARE paying taxes, are they not criminals? And there are millions being paid with cash, and NOT filing tax returns. We paid over 4 billion in tax returns in 2010 to illegals, only 1 billion in 2005.
You have been watching too much Fox news...... As far as illegals being paid under the table (this has ALWAYS happened and is not unique to illegals), that is the fault of the employer. Using stolen SS#'s only provide MORE funding to our system.
You just keep moving the goalposts to suit you. Now somebody that has been convicted of a crime and serves their sentence is not a criminal? You do realize that this flies in the face of sex offender registration laws and the like, right? You spout out statistics with no sources that do not support your assertions and when people show you why you are wrong you just change the definition of criminal a little bit. At this point, you are embarrassing yourself, and should stop. Have a nice day, criminal speeder.
I have said that from the very beginning, I consider sex registry a continued probationary period and they are continuing to serve their sentence. I didn't change the definition at all, go read what I wrote. The only thing I changed was that speeding is a driving infraction, and even if you did consider it a crime, I paid my ticket. You may call me a criminal speeder, it doesn't offend me. I don't speed anymore, I was punished and learned my lesson. Should illegals not be punished for the crimes they commit? No, because that would hurt your voter base. I am not embarrassing myself, just because I refuse to accept your ridiculous opinion that illegal immigrants have done nothing wrong and they should all just be given a free pass. Why do we have laws? What is the point? When it gets too difficult to enforce them, we just say hey let's start over, everyone gets a free pass. Oh wait, we did that 26 years ago and now we have 4x more illegals. Your logic does not compute.
I'm gonna tell you right now...if I lived close to the border in Mexico...and I was dealing with third world conditions and finding a way to feed my kids...I wouldn't give one tinker's damn about your imaginary lines in the sand if it meant I could go earn a living to do my job as a father and a husband.
IMO, what's wrong is to value imaginary lines above human beings. I realize that makes me a bit of a freakshow.
Unfortunately we cannot sustain the population of every violent country. We already give permanent residence to more people than any other country in the world at over 1,000,000 a year. I am all for a process that makes it easier for people to get through the system, but I will never support legislation that gives a clean slate to those who are breaking our laws. But I am all for allowing any child who was brought here a pathway to citizenship, I don't blame them for their parents actions, as I have said repeatedly.
Yeah, actually it does. Stealing from a grocery store to feed your kids is not the same as stealing a senior citizen's retirement money to enrich yourself. Crossing the border illegally to work your ass off to support your family registers way lower on the "wrong" scale than speeding.
