Three-strikes policy: Egypt military fires AGAIN on unarmed civilians and now reporters.

This is pathetic and simply sad.

The fact that the typical Islamophobes ignore the atrocities is as expected and has been noted.

 

Once you let someone into a house, hard to get them out. Basically that's what happened here. Originally, the military should've held power longer until more politican parties were made, that actually represented the people. Muslim brotherhood was established so they won the elections by default, but majority of the (not as vocal) population did not want them in power. Their people are vocal and trying to hold on to power because they know once it's gone they are back to nothing status like they were under Mubarak.

 

El Baradei stepped down. Looks like the military really went way too far. Unfortunately, aside from being terrible, this will only help the MB.

 

Sadly that's the point. MB will be helped because of this. I think one of the reasons they won the initial election is because the pendulum swung their way after they had been oppressed for so long.

There will always be sympathy and support for the people oppressed or brutalized.

 

MB won the initial election because the opposition was split up into multiple parties. They then decided that since they won the election, that meant that they were the dictators of Egypt and could do whatever they liked, and the result led to this.

Ultimately, I have no problems with the coup, and while the shooting is tragic, the MB needs to be stamped through whatever means necessary. I've said this before. Democracy is not an end-all be-all good. It is only good insofar as it provides good government. And the Muslim Brotherhood has shown themselves to be completely and totally incompetent at that, not to mention what they were trying to pull after they won the election.

 

All this makes me sad because of how predictable everything has been, and yet still inevitable.

 

I don't agree with the views of the side being oppressed in this crisis, but I still mourn the loss of human life - especially when the large number here could have been avoided.

For the past 2 weeks, several organizations had said the crackdown was imminent. The interim government was grossly incompetent here. Like someone in charge of getting rid of a wasp nest with people all around, you don't just whack the thing. Letting it fall to the ground without any planning in advance, knowing the people underneath will get stung... it is very frustrating. Christian homes and churches should have been protected along with those of the residents in the area around Rabaa. Political ramifications should have been considered. The MB won here.

Furthermore, the sit-ins could have been dispersed peacefully with "reasonable losses that people will accept to overcome the political crises." The military chose the way of violence. Not only did they kill, they did it in such a careless manner that the MB will rally together and gain sympathy around so many dead. Yes they threw stones, but they were largely peaceful. Worst of all, the instability has gone several notches higher. The selection of 19 of 25 provincial governors from the military doesn't help either.

A lot more dead and misery to come.

 

El Baradie, the Egyptian Nobel Peace Prize winner and noted liberal leading figure in Egypt, quit the military-run government saying that "peaceful means" were very much still an option and mediations were still ongoing, and that Al-Sisi was being begged by Western leaders to NOT crack down on the MB sit-ins as to not either garner sympathy for them or further radicalize them into armed resistance and pushing the entire country into the Syrian scenario. Per El Baradie and other news correspondents who confirmed this, he went in to have a conversation with General Al-Sisi and when he told Al-Sisi that the MB accepted the key points in an initiative in exchange for release of some opposition figures, Al-Sisi coldly stared him down and said, "this conversation is over!!"

After what Al-Sisi had to say about Obama and the American administration a couple of weeks back, and given his treatment for El Baradie after using him basically to give a civilian face to what otherwise was a military coup (which is clear now beyond a shadow of doubt)....I would say Al-Sisi is a madman to be feared and should be resisted or at least checked by the EU/USA/NATO as a potential adversary in the region.

Egypt is no small potatoes, it's the single biggest state in perhaps the most strategically crucial part of the world in control of the Suez Canal and bordering the most important waterways in the world where most of the world's fuel is shipped. Not to mention it's the recipient of U.S. military aid in excess of $1.3 billion a year since 1981 or something like that, and it has top-grade U.S. war machinery at its disposal and a crucial peace agreement with Israel which has been shaky the last couple of years given how out of control the Sinai has been. Oh, and I did mention Egypt has the single largest army in the region in terms of sheer numbers/equipment/artillery and the rest? If put to the wrong use, under the wrong leadership or someone who fancies himself another Nasser pan-Arabist, it could mean serious headaches for us and our allies in the region.

 

I wonder if there was any chance of the military letting the Brotherhood stay in power since Sadat; will the Brotherhood grow and militarize to point that it's a civil war?

 

So it looks like the Muslim Brotherhood has burned down 18 churches since yesterday. It has also stormed, burned and vandalized government offices. Violence is coming from both sides.

But the most encouraging (and moving) image I have seen is this one:



Muslims protecting a Coptic church from Islamists who want to burn it, by building a peaceful human wall around the church.

I wish everyone was like these Muslims.

 

What a great picture. Beautiful church by the way.

 

Sadly, after reading some more articles, I found out that the Muslim Brotherhood has burned it down. That picture was 1 week old.

 

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43 police officers were killed in the violence. There is video of MB shooting at police when they came with bulldozers. There is also a lot of tweets that show attacks were not against unarmed peaceful protesters.

I wonder if Obama and Kerry's comments against the violence were spurned on by the fact that CAIR's American Leander's brother was killed during the protests.

And the attacks against Christians in Egypt by the MB are well documented since the coup.

 

What do you mean, "not even"? As if the Muslim Brotherhood is otherwise a haven of rationality?

The Copts aren't even the military.

They aren't attacking or shooting anyone.

Yet, more than 40 churches in Egypt have been burned by Muslim Brotherhood supporters in the last 24 hours.

 

It's hard for me to sympathize with peaceful "protesters" firing AKs and attacking Christians.

The Muslim brotherhood didn't want democracy. They made that clear when they thier leader manipulated the constitution.

 

Your post is total horsecrap. The climate was created by the Islamists, so the military took over, at the request of the people. However, the military went overboard in their violent reaction to the violent Brotherhood protests. But now the Brotherhood thugs are again showing their true colors by burning churches. To paint this as a mere reaction is Mathloon territory. Then again, you two are of the same kind.