I am indifferent to people "mixing". I am against rape.....as I have stated before they were nothing but savages and rapists. There is no way to dress that up AroundTheWorld. It just is what it is. Accept it.
Wow.....yea you went off the deep end didn't you? You are correct, I did serve in the U.S Army. Not a bad experience overall.....it was nice have a job and steady benefits. Never been on any Aryan website, but I don't care that they did the term "European-American". It is an acceptable term to use in reference to descendants of Europeans that live on the one of the American continents. Not from Houston, never been to Houston. I can't say for certain whether or not my ancestors came from present day Nigeria...nor did I claim that any of them did. As a matter of fact the closest I've come to stating where I think my ancestors may have came from was to say that there is BIG Yoruba presence in Trinidad. Never stated that I was not a U.S. citizen. As I have stated before nationality =/= ethnicity. I wouldn't define myself as a "black separatist"......as I've stated before I am a Pan-Africanist. But you can call me whatever you wish.....at the end of the day it doesn't matter. The fact that some of your family are Carribean islanders doesn't change the fact that you are a US citizen. Show me the post where I said that I was not a U.S citizen and then show me the post in which I said that because of my family members are "Caribbean Islanders" that this doesn't make me a U.S. Citizen. I said no such thing. culture of the world's second largest continent What is the "culture" of the African continent? Last time I checked there were many cultures. Explain what this one culture is. and claim to speak for it and the 55 nations there, Show me the post where I said I "speak for Africa" . Your nationality is not something you can choose unless you want to emigrate. It's a legal definition, not a cultural one. Show me the post where I said ANYTHING about "choosing" nationality.
The questions I posed to Deji in post #362 apply to all who are interested. Feel free to show me the posts that I have asked for......If you can do that, I will shut up.
My parents, my "African-American" father included, didn't raise me to see myself as an"African-American". So what did they raise you to see yourself as....
Actually, ATW, if either participant is in a position that they can't say no: asleep, drugged, mentally unstable, below the age of majority and consent, explicitly or implicitly threatened with violence or punishment due to intimidation, imprisonment or status of servitude, then it is rape. I say that fully in consideration of women's interests (and of course those of male rape victims) than out of any possible alignment with or efforts toward diagnosing Amaru's views on interracial procreation.
You summed that up quite well diagnosing Amaru's views on interracial procreation You mean my neutrality to it?
My father, like me, is an African. Make up your mind...... Multicultural or an African.... You can't be an African unless you are an African citizen.
No, your dementia in labeling it as rape for the sole purpose of rhetorically shedding your non-black background. Especially nutty since you likely have too vague a notion of when or where your white ancestors would have conceived with your black ancestors, so you probably have no idea if any of them were slaves, masters or mistresses.
No, your dementia in labeling it as rape for the sole purpose of rhetorically shedding your non-black background. No, I know it was non-consensual because those stories have been passed down. I will not post them because that is FAR too personal for a message board Especially nutty since you likely have too vague a notion of when or where your white ancestors would have conceived with your black ancestors, so you probably have no idea if any of them were slaves, masters or mistresses.
My point in engaging you in the first place was to address the fallacy in your claims to be African, which I think I did reasonably and fairly. I apologize for interpreting your position as one of a separatist. But you invite scrutiny by your claims and continue to by your poor defense of them, not to mention your slur on pouhe. Pan-Africanism is a legitamite worldview, especially in that it recognizes an African diaspora and promotes study of maafa, but it doesn't begin and end with Marcus Garvey and W. E. B. Du Bois. To Africans it's role is one of solidarity, if at least in spirit, to put an end to localized conflict and protect it from foreign exploitation. To that end, it means that it is by design just as inclusive of Boers, Berbers and Arabs that you have said you don't consider to be Africans, as it is of the San, Zulu or Yoruba. It's something that you'll need to consider. You are undoubtedly a member of the African diaspora and have a shared narrative, but your family has been in the diaspora for hundreds of years. Like every diaspora, there is a gap in culture, and your situation is no different than any other American from any other diaspora, except maybe the Japanese, if only because their notion of peoplehood is so complexly ethnocentric. When an American (or an Australian, or an Argentenian, etc) travels abroad to the countries his ancestors are from and claims to be one of them, it's almost always met with ridicule, especially if we are talking more than two generations removed. It's a common misconception and I can assure you that no claim you can possibly make can prevent it from not being true for you. It would go doubly if you try telling an a Tunisian or an Algerian he isn't an African and you are. You'd be lucky to get off with just a lecture. As for rejecting the label African-American because you're Trinidadian, that's more reasonable. Afro-Trinidadian and Tobagonian-American doesn't exactly roll of the tongue, but it works for Nicki Manaj and Kareem Abdul Jabbar and certainly is not wanting for clarification. Incidently, I told your story last night to my drummer and his Nigerian guitarist (he has an Afrobeat band of his own). As expected, he laughed and shook his head. but when he asked how I corresponded with you and told him it was through a Rockets board he said he was a Rockets fan. When I asked him why he said, "I'm Yoruba. So is Hakeem!"
As an English-European-American whose family fought and died in the Norman Conquest of 1066 all I really want to know is why does amaru keep calling pouhe "pouche"?
Reminds me of a punch line to an old Richard Pryor joke... I ain't the man sitting next to the man, who is sitting next to the man who called the piccolo player a mother@#@#er. All I want to know is.... who called that mother@#@#er... a piccolo player.
My point in engaging you in the first place was to address the fallacy in your claims to be African, which I think I did a reasonable and fairly. You did a good job up until the last post....and then you went off the deep end. I apologize for interpreting your position as one of a separatist. No problem. For the record....I don't think the "separatist" position would produce the results they desire anyway. The world is too connected at this point. But you invite scrutiny by your claims and continue to by your poor defense of them, not to mention your slur on pouhe. I have not problem with the scrutiny....if I did I wouldn't have said anything in the first place. I believe I apologized the pouhe for insulting him a few pages back....but if I didn't I will now. I apologize pouhe. Pan-Africanism is a legitamite worldview, especially in that it recognizes an African diaspora and promotes study of maafa, but it doesn't begin and end with Marcus Garvey and W. E. B. Du Bois. Of course it doesn't lol To Africans it's role is one of solidarity, if at least in spirit, to put an end to localized conflict and protect it from foreign exploitation. Agreed, but it also extends to people of African descent outside of the continent. To that end, it means that it is by design just as inclusive of Boers, Berbers and Arabs that you have said you don't consider to be Africans, as it is of the San, Zulu or Yoruba. Interesting point........but I disagree It's something that you'll need to consider I'll mull it over You are undoubtedly a member of the African diaspora and have a shared narrative, but your family has been in the diaspora for hundreds of years. Agreed Like every diaspora, there is a gap in culture, and your situation is no different than any other American from any other diaspora I disagree......I can't think of another group to which such a well organized attack on their connection to their lives before enslavement was made....at least on U.S plantations. In the Caribbean, from island to island, the story was often different. The same apply to Brazil. As for rejecting the label African-American because you're Trinidadian, that's more reasonable Not quite what I said but you're getting better. I said that if you wish to use social constructs to describe me based on my family's history in this hemisphere you would have to include all of the nations that these individuals were born in. This is, for better or for worse, where they were shaped and molded.....a lot of those cultural elements were a part of my upbringing. When an American (or an Australian, or an Argentenian, etc) travels abroad to the countries his ancestors are from and claims to be one of them, it's almost always met with ridicule, especially if we are talking more than two generations removed. It's a common misconception and I can assure you that no claim you can possibly make can prevent it from not being true for you. Depends on where you go and the mind state of the individuals you encounter. If they share a worldview similar to your own...they just might agree with you. Afro-Trinidadian and Tobagonian-American doesn't exactly roll of the tongue, but it works for Nicki Manaj and Kareen Abdul Jabbar and certainly is not wanting for clarification. Good job on the wikipedia search Incidently, I told your story last night to my drummer and his Nigerian guitarist (he has an Afrobeat beat of his own). As expected, he laughed and shook his head. but when he asked how I corresponded with you and told him it was through a Rockets board he said he was a Rockets fan. When I asked him why he said, "I'm Yoruba. So is Hakeem!" LMAO!!!! I think that is fantastic that what I said had such an effect on you that you decided to tell your friends. As for his response......I'm not offended by it in the least. I have absolutely no problem with him laughing at me because of the way I choose to define myself. I would be interested in hearing what he knows about the Yoruba diaspora, specifically how he feels about some Africans (or you can use the term black if you prefer) worshiping Oshun in the Caribbean and Brazil. As well as Shango If you get a chance to ask him, please do...and if he frequents the boards I would love to he him answer that question. Was the drummer from Nigeria as well?
Typos...it isn't intentional. I'm just trying to respond to 4 or 5 people at the same time and I don't always take to time to proof-read my post before hitting "submit"
Please learn to use the quote feature, Amaru . Your posts come across as just random text you decided to bold and we therefore have no clue who the quotes were originally attributed to.
Sorry. As I have said before, I haven't really taken the time to proofread a lot of my posts in this thread because I've been trying to reply to 4 or 5 people at once who were actively engaged in the conversation plus the occasional person asking a question that I answered earlier in the thread.
