‘47 Percent Negro’: Anti-Obama Protest Turns Racist In Phoenix

Obama has never sided with Islamic extremists. The willingness to believe those things about him are easier for some to do because he's black. Those things in themselves aren't racial, but a willingness to believe them in many cases is certainly because of his race.

The same argument being made about John McCain, or Mitt Romney would gain almost zero traction. That's true because they look and have names like most politicians this nation has had.

Also the DOJ under Obama refused to prosecute high profile cases of whites such as Dick Cheney, and G.W. Bush, and others from the Bush DOJ. They refused to prosecute high profile Wall Street cases as well. To act like they only didn't prosecute high profile black cases isn't accurate.

 

your general ideological bent and your stance on public policy is often simplistic, and often does not consider factors beyond public opinion. You yourself have admitted you are not an expert on public policy.

Really, you could stop full stop there. As to whether or not there are people on the forum who think you're a racist, maybe, but I think an overarching amount would focus on your policy stances---if you yourself did not claim all of your opponents were "traitors". I mean, I just can't get over how sensitive you are to this s**t, and yet you go around branding basically half of the nation as traitors. I personally think it's amusing.

 

So wait, we're back to "The Tea Party is racist"? I thought you were in the "they aren't" camp? You can't have it both ways.

And at any rate, the simple fact that someone does not agree with your assertions does NOT make them racist. Do you know what actually WOULD make someone racist? Hating someone because of their race. That is actual racism. What the poll purports to discover isn't.

What you are talking about is people having different ideas about the level of equality that blacks and whites share. I personally do believe that if a black person is smart, driven, and works hard then he or she can achieve anything that a white counterpart can. I even believe that a black man could be President of the United States one day - I know, I know, it sounds far-fetched, but I truly believe that it can happen. Do you know *WHY* I believe that it can happen? Because I - like every single other Tea Partier I have ever known - believe that race is a completely irrelevant factor in determining how successful a motivated individual can be.

The truth is that those answers reflect an indifference to racial issues. Which to the Left equates to racism.

Oh, really?

http://swampland.time.com/2011/05/04/did-torture-get-the-us-osama-bin-laden/

http://www.cnbc.com/id/42871400

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/leon-panetta-enhanced-interrogation-tactics-played-role-death-osama-bin-laden-article-1.1254336

http://www.npr.org/2011/05/05/136005405/did-harsh-interrogation-tactics-lead-to-bin-laden

First one is the most relevant. The enhanced techniques were generally reserved for those individuals who were not responsive to the techniques laid out in FM 34-52. So it's sorta difficult to argue that those conventional techniques would have worked alone.

Yeah, and your claim was that Clinton destroyed them during his tenure, and was accused of wag the dog for it. How did he do that in 1991?

But... I just have to shake my freaking head. Exactly what does this have to do with the alleged racism at hand?

 

Except for kid gloves he wore when dealing with Iran's mullahs, or the Muslim Brotherhood. Right?

So, they're not racial, but a willingness to think like that is racist? OK.

Um, probably because they were not accused of any crimes? I am talking about crap like this:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203550604574361071968458430.html

What is a thinking person to conclude given these events?

Which is not surprising, since they contributed heavily to his campaign and the Dem party.

Really?

http://pjmedia.com/jchristianadams/2013/03/12/breaking-inspector-general-report-on-racialist-disfunction-inside-doj/

 

So, in other words, I am stupid. OK.

Not my exact words. But who exactly IS an expert on public policy? And isn't that a pretty broad category to be an expert in? I mean, you're basically an expert in... everything.

Why would I do that? I'm having fun. You obviously don't see where this is leading.

Which, again, I really don't care about...

FB is the only one offering up even a semblance of rational debate here. No one else will address the issue because they know goddamm well that I am right. If I wasn't then they'd have been piling in here to post the "The Tea Party isn't racist and racism isn't what motivates Obama's opposition posts". No takers so far.

So, is it reading comprehension that's the problem here? Or can you just not find my quotes? I even posted them again in this thread to make it easier for you... Anyway, your above statement is a mischaracterization of what I said. But that doesn't surprise me.

And LOL that you "can't get over how sensitive you are to this s**t", how many times do I have to say that I really don't care what you guys think of me?I can't think of a more plain way to say it. I am simply pointing out an unfounded bias that you guys have. It is all over this board. Hardly a thread passes by in D&D where a conservative isn't called a racist in some way.

I am just pointing it out, that is all. So, again...

Anyone up for a "The Tea Party is not racist. The Republican Party is not racist. Racism is NOT the driving force behind opposition to Obama"? C'mon, you can't ALL believe it, can you?

 

yeah, your 20 page post rebuttals and constant need to get that out of people says otherwise.

anyways, this issue is terribly superficial, I don't quite get what you get out of it if you "don't care" and it's clear that this isn't a debate or discussion worth really having, especially are you're probing at its' most simplistic level...really at this point, we're just left to speculate on why you're so sensitive (misconstruing my opinion of your stances as me calling you stupid, misconstruing Deckard's view on your return to the forum), and I think that's best left to external experts, rather than internet forumers.

For the record, I don't find Republican stances on race particularly troublesome (though some tend towards xenophobic and incredibly ignorant stances and statements, which is costing them elections---no skin off my back!), but their stances on public policy are beyond mystifying. so there you have it, I guess.

 

mischaracterized.

well, if it makes you feel better---I believe most racist Republicans are simply naive but mean well, they just listen to a bit too much of that crazy juice.

"Dems are traitors yo!"

 

Eh, trust me, if I was upset you'd know it. This just fills the time.

Is ANY debate in this place actually worth having? LOL, like any substantive issues are actually being "debated" in this place, or any of this actually matters. . Everyone is just flinging s^it at each other. If you think that is not the case, or if you think this is the place for thoughtful debate, then... I don't really know what to say. You've been around long enough to know what the D&D really is.

There is is again, LOL.

Finally! Progress!!! I agree with this statement in its entirety. Of course I had to truncate it, but... Close enough.

See, this is why you stay off of my ignore list. Even though you're wrong on nearly everything, you still occasionally say something reasonable.

 

Wait...so your response to his point about discriminatory hiring is to say that you believe in the abilities of minorities to overcome? You can believe all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that there is a well-documented racial bias in favor of white people over most minority groups in hiring. For instance, Asian-American professionals are almost uniformly underpaid and overqualified in relation to their white peers with equivalent education and experience. It's really easy to point to outliers like Obama and try to avoid the issue, but it's what happens at the systemic level that counts.

That said, I'm not saying any given minority shouldn't be doing all they can to succeed, but to not acknowledge the existence of the trend is willful ignorance as best and tacit approval at worst.

 

My only point there was that holding such a belief is not evidence of racism. And to claim that it is is disingenuous.

 

Well one of the links you provided was an earlier one from Panetta before he he noticed the misunderstanding and said this...

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-34222_1...nced-interrogation-did-not-lead-to-bin-laden/

 

The whole claim about them not prosecuting black people is because of the stupid New Black Panther thing? The guys that were at the polls badmouthing Obama, and against Obama?

I'm sorry but there's been far many more white cases like those I mentioned that weren't prosecuted by Holder's DOJ, and all because Obama said he wanted to move forward.

 

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to FranchiseBlade again.


Here is why you were repped:

"Obama has never sided with Islamic extremists. The willingness to believe those things about him are easier for some to do because he's black. Those things in themselves aren't racial, but a willingness to believe them in many cases is certainly because of his race."

Not an Obama fan, but I 100% agree with this statement. Good job sir.

 

Still not seeing it...

"The Tea Party is not racist. The Republican Party is not racist. Racism is NOT the driving force behind opposition to Obama"

It's almost like everyone here believes that the TP/Republicans/conservatives are racists? NS said it more or less and FB is kinda half-a$$ing it. Everyone else? Crickets.

 

What a train wreck of a thread. Haven't seen a good D&D meltdown like this in a while.

 

Considering the subject matter and thread title, could it have possibly gone any other way? It's a troll thread that was doomed from the start.

 

And the trolls continue to show up, time after time.

They feel the need to defend themselves against the racism claims, and it's obvious that they're starting to see that they are, well,....

You can search posting history for more evidence. If my math is correct, there are about 5-7 of them in this forum alone.

As for the correlation between the republican party/TP and racism, I don't know. However, it's obvious that far-right conservatives and the entire Tea Party movement are less tolerant of sociological and race-related differences.

What I do know is that a few of the disgusting posters here are not representative of the awesome conservatives of the world that happen to have a different opinion.

 

You being an oversensitive dumbass may have contributed to that a bit as well.
Nobody here accused all Republicans of being racist and here you come in defending yourself when there is nobody accusing you. What the hell LOL.

 

I think we've already been over this.

I am merely pointing out that the bias here is that the TP/Republicans are racist. No necessarily ALL of them (we've certainly been over that), but there is no denying that the feeling here is that racism motivates conservatives, and certainly motivates opposition to Obama.

It's absolutely disingenuous and quite silly to deny that.

I actually gave everyone here a chance to come out and say that they didn't think that I was correct. Come out and say that they didn't believe the line that the TP/Republican party is, more or less, racist. It's a simple out. But so far only ONE person has taken that opportunity. Everyone else has either confirmed that they believe that the TP is racist one way or another, or qualified it with a "Well they're not all racist, BUT...", leading into an explanation about how TPers or Republicans are more likely to be racist, or how racism certainly is a significant motivator behind opposition to Obama.

Seriously, you guys just keep confirming that I'm right. I gave you an easy out, but almost nobody is taking it. Why? Because I am right, and you guys DO think that racism is driving TPers/Republicans to oppose Obama.

I'd have more respect for you if you'd just admit it, instead of half-a$$ing it and trying to have it both ways..